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What about the Arab countries responsibility to seek peace as well. Peace can't be just a one way street with Israel doing all the giving into the Arab countries demands. It's common knowledge that most Arab countries want to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth and until their attitudes change there will never be peace in the Middle East.
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What about the Arab countries responsibility to seek peace as well. Peace can't be just a one way street with Israel doing all the giving into the Arab countries demands. It's common knowledge that most Arab countries want to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth and until their attitudes change there will never be peace in the Middle East.


As I posted...
" Israel has always overcome obstacles to win wars... now it's time to overcome obstacles to win a P E A C E!"

I never mentioned surrender... or "Israel doing all the giving".
If anything, Egypt gave as much as Israel did in the Camp David Accords... Both sides WON... and there has been peace ever since.


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If anything, Egypt gave as much as Israel did in the Camp David Accords... Both sides WON... and there has been peace ever since.

sort of... Anwar Sadat's family might disagree...Plus, after getting your a** kicked..twice, it might compel you to talk about peace.


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Obama is talking about 1967 lines BEFORE the Six Day War of June, 1967. Again nobody cares what Obama says or proposes. Let him sit down with Iran like he promised-lol. DVR has a much better grasp of this issue.

      Box of Rox gives the usual Arab talking points. Since 1973 there has been peace because the Arabs would be destroyed in another war. Next time Israel will invade Cairo as it would have done in 1973, until stopped by the US. They had an entire army surrounded in the desert cut off from supplies. The Carter agreement is now void because of the Egypt "democracy" revolution. Gas lines cut, Gaza border open to arms shipment-soon the canal will be blocked. It's hard to talk with someone that wants to behead you. You achieve peace through destroying your enemy never appeasement. Because of Obama's constant dithering Israel will have to take out Iran too. Like they did Syrian and Iraq nuclear programs.
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The trouble is Egypt is no longer run by a government that signed the peace agreement with Israel so now all bets are off. I never mentioned surrender either just that the peace agreement has to involve some giving by both the Arabs and the Jews. I'm also sure that Israel is sick and tired of living under the constant threat of war and would like more than anything to have a real long term peace agreement.
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Bottom line is that both sides believe that GOD has given them the land!! They will fight over it until the end of time....if that time should ever come!

No peace agreement, no country, no president will make happen what they are hoping for......TOTAL PEACE!! It can't and won't happen!


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This is how much Syria wants peace. Saw a video on YouTube from Syria. Some little kids were talking about the Syrian Army {peace lovers} murdering teachers/students at their school. They said that the Syrian Army would have shelled and destroyed the entire town but Israeli planes were in the air and the Syrian Army knew it. It gave them pause. The Syrian Army was murdering Syrians civilians but worried about the Israeli Air Force preventing it. Right Box Israel should give them more land and talk peace?
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sort of... Aafter getting your a** kicked..twice, it might compel you to talk about peace.

After almost losing a war in 1973 and living in a constant state of 'almost war'  for over 60 years... "it might compel you to talk about peace."




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The trouble is Egypt is no longer run by a government that signed the peace agreement with Israel so now all bets are off.

Most countries still honor peace agreements with countries that are "no longer run by a government that signed the peace agreement".



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This is how much Syria wants peace. Saw a video on YouTube from Syria. Some little kids were talking about the Syrian Army {peace lovers} murdering teachers/students at their school. They said that the Syrian Army would have shelled and destroyed the entire town but Israeli planes were in the air and the Syrian Army knew it. It gave them pause. The Syrian Army was murdering Syrians civilians but worried about the Israeli Air Force preventing it. Right Box Israel should give them more land and talk peace?


Salami- if you actually read your bible you would know Damascus ( the world oldest inhabited city )gets obliterated _ go look it up-


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You achieve peace through destroying your enemy never appeasement.


Benny sees only 2 options... Destroying your enemy, or appeasement.  No other option exists.

That's what the USA and China thought before Nixon went to China.
That's what the USA and Vietnam thought before the Paris peace accords.
That's what East & West Germany thought before the Berlin wall fell.
That's what the Catholics and Protestants thought before they came to an accord in N Ireland.
That's what the USSR and the USA thought before the end of the cold war.
That's what... get the picture.  
Some conflicts end with the end of a war.  Some end in a peace agreement.  And some like the Israel situation don't end... they just smolder with flashes of war, and pauses of war.

When even WAR fails to end a conflict... maybe all parties should explore a P E A C E!



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After almost losing a war in 1973 and living in a constant state of 'almost war'  for over 60 years... "it might compel you to talk about peace."




Bullshit.. Israel was pearl harbored and took care of business in about 3 weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

The Arab coalition went to lands lost in the '67 war.. if they had won, at worst, the clock gets moved back to pre-'67


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I knew you would bring Vietnam up. Give them enough rope. How did that work out? A great example of peace at any price with people interested in victory not peace. The Communists understood victory. Israel is not South Vietnam. Take your Vietnam solutions elsewhere.

     Obama is a laughing stock. Egyptians hate him in a new poll. Israelis never liked him. Maybe they can find peace based on mutual hatred of Obama? But first give the Sinai back to Israel. For once have the Arabs give up some land for peace. Show that they are sincere about peace-ROTFLMAO!!
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Bullsh!t.. Israel was pearl harbored and took care of business in about 3 weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War


OMG! Box where did you study military history? Bet it wasn't West Point. So much disinformation here. Israel had an entire army surrounded. Cairo was ready to fall. Syria was finished. Then Egypt cried to the UN/US and Israel had to let them avoid total defeat. That would have been the peace you liberals crave-lol.
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Salami- if you actually read your bible you would know Damascus ( the world oldest inhabited city )gets obliterated _ go look it up-


And if ya know yer bible, you also know that there will NEVER be peace in that region!


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