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You need to look at the geography of Israel to understand that what Obama proposed and what Netanyahu said are polar opposites.
The Populated heavily populated part of Israel (from Bethlehem and Jerusalem north to the border with Lebanon and Syria) is about the distance from the Mohawk River (where the Northway crosses in Crescent) to the Hudson River (where the Northway crosses near Moreau). It is not too much wider than Saratoga Counter is wide (Mechanicville to Galway) and narrows in both the north and the south. THIS IS THE PRESENT SITUATION. As it is now, the borders are narrow enough that rockets/missiles can be launched from any of its neighbors and strike targets in Israel -- but with some difficulty because of terrain and technology.
If Obama gets his way- Israel would only be 8 miles wide at its widest point -- which is probably the width ofClifton Park. This would allow even the least sophisticated rockets and missiles to target points in Israel with deadly accuracy.
If Obama gets his way - Syria would take back the Golan Heights -- literally the "high ground" of the battlefield -- and the artillery and rockets/missiles of Israel's enemies would have a tremendous advantage.
Much of the West Bank is high ground .. and no one in their right mind gives up the high ground to an enemy.
There is no way Netanyahu or any intelligent and sane leader of Israel would ever accept a return to the pre-1967 boundaries. Until Obama opened his mouth --- most intelligent and sane Americans did not believe a US President would ever THINK of suggesting that Israel accept pre-1967 boundaries much less actually have the audacity to publicly propose it.
President Obama's foreign policy is worse than Jimmy Carter's foreign policy -- and no one ever thought that any body could screw it up worse than Carter did.
Actually I'm having a hard time finding a map of the mystical PRE-1967 borders - |
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Actually I'm having a hard time finding a map of the mystical PRE-1967 borders -
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 Good analysis from DVR. One addition, returning to the 1967 boundaries also means return of the Golan Heights to murderous Assad and pro-Iranian Syria. They have been busy killing thousands of protestors and leveling pro-Democracy towns. Obama has asked Assad to either step aside or be more moderate which proves again how delusional he is dealing with Arab terrorists. Golan Heights has water and from the Heights you can see for miles into Lebanon, Syria, Israel and Jordan. The fact that any American President would even suggest this is disgusting. It will never happen and should never be allowed. Israel already given the huge Sinai back to Egypt for empty promises. Meanwhile the new Egyptian "government" has cut off gas supplies and opened up Gaza to arms shipment. Appeasing your enemy is not foreign policy. |
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Nice- although arent these the borders AFTER the 6 day war ? Wouldn't the PRE 1967 BORDERS actually be the 1948 borders ? or are these the 1948 boundaries ? |
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Nice- although arent these the borders AFTER the 6 day war ? Wouldn't the PRE 1967 BORDERS actually be the 1948 borders ? or are these the 1948 boundaries ?
The map is of both pre and after the 1967 war. Yellow & Red were taken over by Israel in '67.See below:  |
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There is a Palestinian State already -- has been since 1948 ---- it is was called Palestine Trans Jordan .. or as we know it today -----> JORDAN.
The Palestinians don't need a new state .. they have one ... go move there --- and if the Palestinians really want peace ... recognize Israel's right to exist and stop the terrorist attacks.
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DVR on this we agree but the Arabs never will. |
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There is a Palestinian State already -- has been since 1948 ---- it is was called Palestine Trans Jordan .. or as we know it today -----> JORDAN.
The Palestinians don't need a new state .. they have one ... go move there --- and if the Palestinians really want peace ... recognize Israel's right to exist and stop the terrorist attacks.
That is the simplest "road map" to a Middle East peace settlement,
Bravo! Where is this clarity on local matters? Jordan is 95% Palestinian. Throw over the King-establish "democracy"-and call it a day. Naah Obama would rather be in Afghanistan with no oil. This idiotic Obama plan is all about destroying Israel. Leaving the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors with indefensible borders. Israel was not created in a vacuum. The was promised to the Jews by Britain before the war. Ratified by the UN and than all Arab armies attacked. And got wiped out. No land for terrorist losers. |
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The map is of both pre and after the 1967 war. Yellow & Red were taken over by Israel in '67.See below:
Nice again- so just to clarify- PRE 1967 borders are actually the 1948 borders. Come on now Obama never said to return to the 1948 borders - So when “We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states "- Does anyone see PRE- 1967 anyplace ? Salami- pay attention Im just looking for some clarity |
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I have it book marked - thank you. |
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It doesn't matter, the official stance of the democrap party is to abandon Israel and let the Palies and Muzzies have it to take, while the vast majority of American Jewry sits there in tacit support or assistance akin to the Sonderkommando of the death camps. Only 17% of American Jews see or care about the threat to the Jewish State, the rest having put the advance of American socialism over the long term security of Israel as a factor in their vote. So what else is new? Furthermore young American Jews are not in any way attached to the Jewish homeland as a concept but are more attached to socialist politics and their American lifestyle, having been raised by 'red diaper doper babies' from the 1960's. Very sad indeed to those who connect to and understand the great significance of the founding of this great state of Israel as it relates to a free world and a haven for the the Jews who had dreamed of it for a thousand years or more.
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Nice again- so just to clarify- PRE 1967 borders are actually the 1948 borders. Come on now Obama never said to return to the 1948 borders -
 The pre-1967 borders are the same as the 1948 borders after Israel defeated every Arab army. It means give up Jerusalem and commit suicide, No one cares what Obama says. In 1956 Israel with UK and France wiped the floor with Egypt and took over the Sinai to open up the Suez Canal to international shipping. The US/UN made them give the territory back to Egypt. Nothing changes-Israel wins and after they have to give back territory to the terrorist losers. |
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The pre-1967 borders are the same as the 1948 borders after Israel defeated every Arab army.
Maybe I no speak english so good but for the 3rd or 4th tomr this is what Obama said- "We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.” Didnt he say the borders should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure borders are established for both sides ? DO YOU SEE PRE 1967 ANYPLACE ? This no time to be in a coma man- GB is so funny like he thinks I need HIS official politcal interpretation - dude I FULLY understand the importance of Israel's borders and the biblical prophecy of it becoming a nation in 1948 - |
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Did Israel really win their war??? They've been at war since 1948, and except for brief pauses where the fighting lulls, no one is really at "peace" there. The war comes and goes, but real peace has not ever existed in Israel.
~Time to look elsewhere besides their military's "the only good Arab is a dead Arab" solution.
~Time to seek something they've never really had... P E A C E!
~As long as the old hard liners are in power, pushing their disaster if you give an inch policy, Israel will continue to live in a constant state of 'almost war'.
~Carter brokered and end to years of war between Israel and Egypt.
~It is in the USA's best interest to find a real P E A C E in Israel.
Obama's suggestion may not be the answer, but continuing the present course isn't an answer either... it just guarantees more of the same.
There are $$$Millions to be made from blocking any P E A C E. Israel has always overcome obstacles to win wars... now it's time to overcome obstacles to win a P E A C E! |
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