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Yet the Blood Dollars continue to force a constant state of war on both sides.


Luckily Obama closed down Gitmo to prevent the creation of MORE terrorists.  Thank goodness Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and didn't commit anymore weapons into expanded conflicts like say...Libya.  Thank goodness we have the Nobel peace prize winner as commander and chief.  He has turned off the faucet on Blood Dollars.  Obama is only dropping bombs of compassion around the world.  






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Luckily Obama closed down Gitmo to prevent the creation of MORE terrorists.  Thank goodness Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and didn't commit anymore weapons into expanded conflicts like say...Libya.  Thank goodness we have the Nobel peace prize winner as commander and chief.  He has turned off the faucet on Blood Dollars.  Obama is only dropping bombs of compassion around the world.  


Cicero must be a fan of Harry S Truman, because he seems to emulate Truman so often.  When Cicero has nothing relevant to post... he keeps on posting!  

~ “If you can't convince them, confuse them.” Harry S Truman (& Cicero)





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    Published 22:06 22.05.11
    Latest update 22:06 22.05.11

Hamas: Obama will fail in forcing us to recognize Israel
Gaza-rulers say Obama's AIPAC speech shows U.S. government 'supports the occupation at expense of the freedom of Palestinians.'
By Jack Khoury and Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Hamas US Barack Obama

Hamas condemned U.S. President Barack Obama's speech to AIPAC on Sunday, saying it will not recognize Israel despite U.S. demands.

In his second Mideast speech, Obama reaffirmed U.S. support for Israel and called on the Gaza-rulers to recognize Israel's right to exist, as well as free abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit. He also condemned the recent Fatah-Hamas reconciliation agreement.
Abu Obeida, spokesman for Hamas' Qassam Brigades, March 26, 2010      

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri was quoted by Ma'an news agency as saying that Obama's speech showed the U.S. government will continue "to support the occupation at the expense of the freedom of the Palestinian people."

Moreover, Abu Zuhri emphasized that the U.S. "will fail" in forcing Hamas "to recognize the occupation."

Hamas leader Ismail Radwan said that Obama gave in to the Israeli position at the expense of the Palestinian people and their rights.

"It's clear the Obama administration is working only to secure the safety of the Zionist entity… it's clear the U.S. isn't speaking about 1967 borders nor a Palestinian state," Radwan said.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed Obama's AIPAC speech Sunday, saying he is "determined" to work with the U.S. president to advance peace.

The Palestinian Authority is set to discuss Obama's policy speeches on Wednesday.
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Shadow,
Read post #44.

The people of both countries want peace... both governments have a lot to gain by keeping the present chaos.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The trouble is the governments control the people so their wishes don't really matter and the wars continue.
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The trouble is the governments control the people so their wishes don't really matter and the wars continue.


YUP, you got it.  Just like here.  But people can make a difference... all over the Middle East, the people are taking charge of their government.  Israel and Palestine are no different.


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Do we get a turn to take charge of our government?
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Do we get a turn to take charge of our government?

Maybe not... I'm not sure.  As long as Americans support anti American acts like "citizens united" (the Koch Bros) or tax cuts for the wealthy, paid for by the middle class...
we don't have a chance.

Libertarians, TeaBaggers, Conservatives, and many Republicans & Democrats all promote much more of the same.  





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Just look at the hundreds of billions of dollars made globally in weapons systems... with the USA as the leading weapons systems manufacturer and exporter.
The USA seldom publicly sells to both sides of a conflict at the same time, but often through middle men and subsidiary contractors... both sides of a conflict may be shooting at his enemy with US weapons.  


union jobs
private business

looks like both parties dance this dance and try to change the rhetoric.....

"...the project of abolishing war by the occasional meeting of some Council of a League of Nations or the like, is, in itself, about as likely to succeed as a proposal
to abolish thirst, hunger, and death by a short legislative act." The Salvaging of Civilisation H.G. Wells


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President Obama's proposal of Pre-1967 boundaries suggests one of two things   - both bad -
#1)  either he is really that naive and uneducated when it comes to foreign policy and, in particular, the Arab-Israeli Conflict  .. or
#2) he isn't naive and uneducated but really wants to see an end to the State of Israel.

I could have predicted this bizarre policy 4 years ago - that is why I could NOT support his candidacy then and can not support his candidacy in 2012.

Israel's right to exist must remain the keystone of our Middle East policy .. and we must certainly NEVER cave in to the Arab extremists who want nothing more than a Second Holocaust.


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President Obama's proposal of Pre-1967 boundaries suggests one of two things   - both bad -
#1)  Either he is really that naive and uneducated when it comes to foreign policy and, in particular, the Arab-Israeli Conflict  .. or
#2) He isn't naive and uneducated but really wants to see an end to the State of Israel.


Bravo. But he promised change-right? He is very educated so go to #2. Just like his foreign policy #2. I wonder if Bill Ayers, his "pastor" and Screwy Louie are shocked by his announcement?

     Does he seriously want Israel to return liberated territory back to Syria? Israel should return to the July 1967 boundaries with Egypt. President Obama should straighten out our Mexican border first, then worry about Lebanon and Iran.
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Bravo. But he promised change-right? He is very educated so go to #2. Just like his foreign policy #2. I wonder if Bill Ayers, his "pastor" and Screwy Louie are shocked by his announcement?

     Does he seriously want Israel to return liberated territory back to Syria? Israel should return to the July 1967 boundaries with Egypt. President Obama should straighten out our Mexican border first, then worry about Lebanon and Iran.


What did Obama say ?

“We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

Didnt he say the borders should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure borders are established for both sides ?

I believe Netanyahu said the same thing- slightly differently

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Israeli-Prime-Minister-Addresses-Congress/10737421714-1/


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dont worry God will draw the lines in the sand......it's God's job


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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What did Obama say ?

“We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

Didnt he say the borders should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure borders are established for both sides ?

I believe Netanyahu said the same thing- slightly differently

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Israeli-Prime-Minister-Addresses-Congress/10737421714-1/



You need to look at the geography of Israel to understand that what Obama proposed and what Netanyahu  said are polar opposites.

The Populated heavily populated part of Israel  (from Bethlehem and Jerusalem north to the border with Lebanon and Syria) is about the distance from the Mohawk River (where the Northway crosses in Crescent) to the Hudson River  (where the Northway crosses near Moreau).    It is not too much wider than Saratoga Counter is wide (Mechanicville to Galway) and narrows in both the north and the south.   THIS IS THE PRESENT SITUATION.  As it is now,  the borders are narrow enough that rockets/missiles can be launched from any of its neighbors and strike targets in Israel -- but with some difficulty because of terrain and technology.

If Obama gets his way- Israel would  only be 8 miles wide at its widest point -- which is probably the width ofClifton Park.    This would allow even the least sophisticated rockets and missiles to target points in Israel with deadly accuracy.

If Obama gets his way - Syria would take back the Golan Heights -- literally the "high ground" of the battlefield -- and the artillery and rockets/missiles of Israel's enemies  would have a tremendous advantage.

Much of the West Bank is high ground .. and no one in their right mind gives up the high ground to an enemy.

There is no way Netanyahu or any intelligent and sane leader of Israel would ever accept a return to the pre-1967 boundaries.    Until Obama opened his mouth  --- most intelligent and sane Americans did not believe a US President would ever THINK of suggesting that Israel accept pre-1967 boundaries much less actually have the audacity to publicly propose it.    

President Obama's foreign policy is worse than Jimmy Carter's foreign policy -- and no one ever thought that any body could screw it up worse than Carter did.


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I am amazed that Ron hasn't joined up with the majority of American Jewry to volunteer for Obama's Sonderkommando unit, along with the other democraps in America. I guess only 83% of American Jews want to destroy Israel, but almost all of the democrap party does. Glad to see Ron is actually one the few on the right side of this one. But he will still carry the poison water for Obamster.


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