Who is looking for an argument? I just present a point of view and an opinion...I think it's fun pointing out liberal hypocrisy. Obama is executing and expanding the same war on terror liberals denounced when Bush was waging it...Now they are cheering it...I think it's great. Bombing Libya is now noble, because it's labeled "humanitarian"...Oh how simple the liberal mind is, and how easy it is to persuade the true believer into accepting that which they once denounced. Obama can do no wrong, even when he is mirroring George "Worst" Bush's policies.lol...lol..lol...
Obama killed Osama Bin Laden... and the Bushies are foaming at the mouth with envy! If only Bushy had REALLY went after Binladen, instead of chasing Iraqi oil and bogus WMD's... Then Bushy might not be known as The Worst President In US History!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obama killed Osama Bin Laden... and the Bushies are foaming at the mouth with envy!
Envy,,,they killed Obama from intel gained by water boarding.LMAO Hey...Is Gitmo still opened? Does water boarding work? Yay for water boarding!!! I again congratulate Obama for giving the green light on this operation...I hope his supporters like Box can forgive him for using intel collected by water boarding and violating international laws by executing Bin Laden in a soverign country...I'm sure they'll forgive him.
Obama aide: Bin Laden not armed when killed Osama bin Laden was not armed when a U.S. Navy SEAL shot and killed him during the early Monday raid in Pakistan, a White House spokesman said today, contrary to previous accounts provided by Obama administration officials.
"He was not armed," spokesman Jay Carney said today while reading a revised narrative that corrects other errors from previous readouts of the operation that took the life of the world's most wanted terrorist.
Ok, now Bin Laden was not armed and he didn't use one of his wives as a human sheid, AND she was wounded and not killed. Ok, the story is straight now.
Envy,,,they killed Obama from intel gained by water boarding.LMAO Hey...Is Gitmo still opened? Does water boarding work? Yay for water boarding!!! I again congratulate Obama for giving the green light on this operation...I hope his supporters like Box can forgive him for using intel collected by water boarding and violating international laws by executing Bin Laden in a soverign country...I'm sure they'll forgive him.
See! I told ya that poor ole Cicero was having a nervous breakdown.
NOW HE THINKS THE INTEL CAME FROM 'WATER BOARDING' WHEN WE ALL KNOW IT DIDN'T! Poor Cicero. Delusional.
(read the AP report below Cicero, especially the part about the intel NOT COMING FROM WATERBOARDING) Paragraph 8 which reads: ~ Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as WATERBOARDING, former officials said. He identified them many months later under STANDARD INTERRIGATION, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Peter King says different...But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though...It did come from a Gitmo detainee. Let's hear the liberals scream - Close down Gitmo!!!
Peter King says different...But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though...It did come from a Gitmo detainee. Let's hear the liberals scream - Close down Gitmo!!!
Peter King is a Muslim Hater and on this issue he ASSUMED that the intel came from water boarding but his assumption was wrong. The Intel came long after water boarding was over. Again proving what John McCain has said all along... Torture doesn't work... but intelligent interrogation does. (As a victim of torture, I'll take John McCain's word for it.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Peter King is a Muslim Hater and on this issue he ASSUMED that the intel came from water boarding but his assumption was wrong. The Intel came long after water boarding was over. Again proving what John McCain has said all along... Torture doesn't work... but intelligent interrogation does. (As a victim of torture, I'll take John McCain's word for it.)
So NOW indefinate detainment of "enemy combatants" without a trial and Constitutional Rights is ok as long as the resaults are to favor a liberal Democrat President? Ohhhhhh...So the ends DOES justify the means when it comes to detaining "combatants without due process of law..Got it. I love this!!
So NOW indefinate detainment of "enemy combatants" without a trial and Constitutional Rights is ok as long as the resaults are to favor a liberal Democrat President? Ohhhhhh...So the ends DOES justify the means when it comes to detaining "combatants without due process of law..Got it. I love this!!
Cicero is so cute when he sputters, spurts and spits trying to find some issue... ANY ISSUE that will make his feeble, failed politics look somehow valid. He's still waiting for Obama's long form Birth Certificate, and waiting for some one to find just one WMD, and still waiting for GWB to actually say something intelligent.
A pity
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So NOW indefinate detainment of "enemy combatants" without a trial and Constitutional Rights is ok as long as the resaults are to favor a liberal Democrat President? Ohhhhhh...So the ends DOES justify the means when it comes to detaining "combatants without due process of law..Got it. I love this!!
Like I wrote in the other topic people either stand for something or they don't, watching how many on the left and right switch up their beliefs says a lot about what America has become.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Cicero is so cute when he sputters, spurts and spits trying to find some issue... ANY ISSUE that will make his feeble, failed politics look somehow valid. He's still waiting for Obama's long form Birth Certificate, and waiting for some one to find just one WMD, and still waiting for GWB to actually say something intelligent.
A pity
What are you talking about? Long form birth certificate? No, I'll say it s-l-o-w-e-r f-o-r y-o-u,,,you are celebrating the continued policy of George W. Bush and don't even realize it. From tax policy to his foreign policy, it's virtually the same. Obama launches attack on Libya in an attempt at regime change and for "humanitarian reasons" and to support the rebels and encourage democracy and topple a brutal dictator - Bush attacks Iraq for regime change to spread democracy and take down a brutal dictator. I could go on and on,,,but the Obama bots are deaf to the facts...So I too will celebrate Box's neo liberal pro military, pro gitmo, pro Libya regime change, pro assassination of heads of state, pro nation building, and pro Bush tax cuts. Box has really come 180 since he's been posting on this board. Congratulations!!!
What are you talking about? Long form birth certificate? No, I'll say it s-l-o-w-e-r f-o-r y-o-u,,,you are celebrating the continued policy of George W. Bush and don't even realize it. From tax policy to his foreign policy, it's virtually the same. Obama launches attack on Libya in an attempt at regime change and for "humanitarian reasons" and to support the rebels and encourage democracy and topple a brutal dictator - Bush attacks Iraq for regime change to spread democracy and take down a brutal dictator. I could go on and on,,,but the Obama bots are deaf to the facts...So I too will celebrate Box's neo liberal pro military, pro gitmo, pro Libya regime change, pro assassination of heads of state, pro nation building, and pro Bush tax cuts. Box has really come 180 since he's been posting on this board. Congratulations!!!
I'm afraid Cicero is chewing on his computer mouse now... Poor thing Bush policy:Failure Obama policy:Success
Bush INVADED IRAQ... Obama INVADED ???
Bush was for Waterboarding and other forms of TORTURE, that was counterproductive and in the long run aided the enemy. Obama is against torture, and got the intel to find BinLaden with standard Interrogation Practices, not torture.
Bush started his administration with one of the largest surpluses in US history. Obama started his administration with a total Economic Meltdown.
Bush landed on a carrier in his flight suit and announced MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Obama worked in the situation room in a business suit and ACCOMPLISHED THE MISSION!
No matter how much Cicero tries... Bush will always be a failure, and Obama will be a success.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Human Rights Groups: Obama's Policies Mimic The Bush Administration By Brian Beutler - May 21, 2009, 1:22PM Human Rights Watch--which was represented at the big White House national security meeting yesterday--thinks the Obama speech was a bunch of window dressing.
"President Obama is absolutely right to emphasize that ignoring our values undermines rather than enhances America's security," said HRW executive director Kenneth Roth. "But allowing detention without trial creates a dangerous loophole in our justice system that mimics the Bush administration's abusive approach to fighting terrorism."
That's strikingly similar to language used by the executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, who, after yesterday's meeting, declared, "I don't see meaningful differences between these detention policies and those erected by President Bush."
HRW is also concerned about the administration's approach to investigating and prosecuting Bush-era torture policies. They want Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to commit to a real inquiry.
"It's not good enough to prosecute a few low-level officials while ruling out a truth commission to investigate senior officials who planned and authorized the policy of abuse and torture," Roth said.
Apparently, though, Obama doesn't want any part of that, and the Attorney General knows it.
Obama’s War on Terror May Resemble Bush’s in Some Areas
In little-noticed confirmation testimony recently, Obama nominees endorsed continuing the C.I.A.’s program of transferring prisoners to other countries without legal rights, and indefinitely detaining terrorism suspects without trials even if they were arrested far from a war zone.
The administration has also embraced the Bush legal team’s arguments that a lawsuit by former C.I.A. detainees should be shut down based on the “state secrets” doctrine. It has also left the door open to resuming military commission trials.
And earlier this month, after a British court cited pressure by the United States in declining to release information about the alleged torture of a detainee in American custody, the Obama administration issued a statement thanking the British government “for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information.”
Within days of his inauguration, Mr. Obama thrilled civil liberties groups when he issued executive orders promising less secrecy, restricting C.I.A. interrogators to Army Field Manual techniques, shuttering the agency’s secret prisons, ordering the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, closed within a year and halting military commission trials.
But in more recent weeks, things have become murkier.
During her confirmation hearing last week, Elena Kagan, the nominee for solicitor general, said that someone suspected of helping finance Al Qaeda should be subject to battlefield law — indefinite detention without a trial — even if he were captured in a place like the Philippines rather than in a physical battle zone.
Ms. Kagan’s support for an elastic interpretation of the “battlefield” amplified remarks that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. made at his own confirmation hearing. And it dovetailed with a core Bush position. Civil liberties groups argue that people captured away from combat zones should go to prison only after trials. Moreover, the nominee for C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, opened a loophole in Mr. Obama’s interrogation restrictions. At his hearing, Mr. Panetta said that if the approved techniques were “not sufficient” to get a detainee to divulge details he was suspected of knowing about an imminent attack, he would ask for “additional authority.”
To be sure, Mr. Panetta emphasized that the president could not bypass antitorture statutes, as Bush lawyers claimed. And he said that waterboarding — a technique that induces the sensation of drowning, and that the Bush administration said was lawful — is torture.
But Mr. Panetta also said the C.I.A. might continue its “extraordinary rendition” program, under which agents seize terrorism suspects and take them to other countries without extradition proceedings, in a more sweeping form than anticipated.
Before the Bush administration, the program primarily involved taking indicted suspects to their native countries for legal proceedings. While some detainees in the 1990s were allegedly abused after transfer, under Mr. Bush the program expanded and included transfers to third countries — some of which allegedly used torture — for interrogation, not trials.
Mr. Panetta said the agency is likely to continue to transfer detainees to third countries and would rely on diplomatic assurances of good treatment — the same safeguard the Bush administration used, and that critics say is ineffective.
For example, Mr. Obama’s Justice Department last week told an appeals court that the Bush administration was right to invoke “state secrets” to shut down a lawsuit by former C.I.A. detainees who say a Boeing subsidiary helped fly them to places where they were tortured.
Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the sequence of “disappointing” recent events had heightened concerns that Mr. Obama might end up carrying forward “some of the most problematic policies of the Bush presidency.”
Mr. Obama has clashed with civil libertarians before. Last July, he voted to authorize eavesdropping on some phone calls and e-mail messages without a warrant. While the A.C.L.U. says the program is still unconstitutional, the legislation reduced legal concerns about one of the most controversial aspects of Mr. Bush’s antiterror strategy.
Oh-No another observance by a NOT Fox News source...But the ultra conservative TIME Magazine.Tic
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Why Obama Defaulted to Bush Foreign Policy Positions By Tony Karon Monday, Jan. 04, 2010
After a year with President Barack Obama at the helm of U.S. foreign policy, an observer could be forgiven for concluding that the presidency is more like taking over the controls of a train than getting behind the wheel of a car. That's because you can't steer a train; you can only determine its speed. So far, the menu of foreign policy challenges, and the Administration's response to each, is remarkably similar at the close of 2009 to what it was at the close of 2008.
Obama maintains Bush policies he once slammed December 21, 2010|By Debra J. Saunders
Once upon a time in America, when George W. Bush served as America's 43rd president, Democrats criticized the Bush tax cuts, especially for the wealthy. This month, President Obama called a measure extending all the Bush tax rates "a win for our economy" - after excoriating liberal critics of his compromise tax package as "sanctimonious."
Once upon a time, Democrats trashed Bush for pushing tax cuts during a time of war and Democrats slammed Bush for not demanding that Americans sacrifice to win the war on terror. This month, while U.S. troops serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama added more tax cuts to the Bush mix.
that if they won the White House, they would shutter Guantanamo Bay, then referred to as a "recruiting tool for al Qaeda." In January 2009, Obama signed an executive order to close the detention center within a year. Today it's still open.
Once upon a time, Democrats argued that if they were in charge, Washington would pass "comprehensive immigration reform." Candidate Obama promised to make passage of an immigration bill a top priority during his first year in office.
For two years, the Dems ran the White House, the House and the Senate - and a bill never passed because they never really pushed it. Clearly the leadership figured out that immigration is an issue that works best for them if left hanging.
Once upon a time, Democrats used Bush's poor poll numbers as proof that he was a bumbling dolt who couldn't manage the economy. Now, they use Obama's poor poll numbers as proof that Bush was a bumbling dolt who couldn't manage the economy.
Forget the Gallup poll that shows Congress with its lowest approval rating ever - 13 percent. Chalk that stat up to anti-incumbent fever.
Just two years ago, the Dems would boast that if they ran U.S. foreign policy, there'd be lots of smart dialogue and the world's tin-pot dictators would respect the U.S. president. How's that working in Iran and North Korea?
The Democrats used to say that universal health care would be cheaper. That was before SEIU 1199 announced it would drop dependents' health care coverage in part because of the "Obamacare" requirement that plans cover members' children up to age 26.
Once upon a time, Obama told America that if he were president, he would focus on winning in Afghanistan and thus prevail in the war on terrorism. Sunday on "Meet the Press," Vice President Joe Biden declared, "We're going to be totally out of there come hell or high water by 2014."
Monday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was forced to do a what-the-vice-president-meant-t0-say clarification as he explained that 2014 would bring an end to the U.S. "combat commitment in Afghanistan."
Candidate Barack Obama had a grand time slamming the same Bush policies that he now maintains. And when the criticism gets too nasty, no worries: He always has golf.
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