Hospice is the flip side of the “death panel” coin. Hospice is “day care” for the elderly and terminally ill. The people too busy to bring up their children now understand that what goes around comes around. The children are too busy to care for their elderly. Hospice has a place in the health care network, but it is taking on a “life” of its own. The mantra of hospice is, “you are going to die.” Clients are told this flat out. Families do not have the guts to deal with death, so they have strangers do their dirty work. Where responsible family members do not exist, hospice has its place. Having functioned as primary health care provider (the person who does the dirty work) and power of attorney for elderly in my family, no one — not me for sure — ever told a sick person in my charge, “you are going to die.” Many hospice personnel have an air of authority about themselves. It is a natural high to some, declaring when another is to die. Hospice is another road to hell paved with good intentions.
Hospice is fluff for folks who never realized death is real.....hospice is a 'support' for the family NOT the dying person.....although I have never worked for hospice,,,I still dont understand the reason for them.....if you want to pay someone to hold your hand and appear to make it 'easier' for you----be my guest.... dying is natural.....
fill out your advance directives and MOLST forms before someone else decides what to do with you
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
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In most 'home cases', Hospice is forced on you. If you decide to take care of a dying loved one at home, you will need equipment such as hospital bed, pain meds, oxygen etc.....
The only way the insurance companies will cover these things is if Hospice is in charge of the case. So most are not left with any other choice.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
In most 'home cases', Hospice is forced on you. If you decide to take care of a dying loved one at home, you will need equipment such as hospital bed, pain meds, oxygen etc.....
The only way the insurance companies will cover these things is if Hospice is in charge of the case. So most are not left with any other choice.
This is how the government/payment methods usurp one's ability to chose and make choices....what exactly constitutes need....why? how?
so it is up to the individual to chose or NOT to chose the use of such things that we 'think' (or are told) helps.....we are creatures that think if we add this or this or this and that, because what we have is not enough, we become fodder for fear use and the usurping of our minds....
you dont need hospice to have one's doctor write scripts for this stuff......read the small print and ESPECIALLY between the lines....we all do good work and we are all capable....no matter what the 'experts' say.....it may not be perfect but we have what we have because we have what we have we do what we do because we do what we do......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
For those who work in Hospice... Thank You for a job no one else will do. For those who have never needed to use Hospice services, consider yourself fortunate.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
YOu people are more NUTS than I thought. Hospice does a wonderful job making your loved one comfortable. Hospice is NO daycare. It is end of life care. My sister was a hospice nurse for children who were dying. Her heart and soul was given to each family. She stayed with many children in this community as they were dying and then helped the families after. Mr. Day is a total JERK. Hospice is NEVER forced on anyone. Where the hell did you get that idea? You guys think you could do that work--I will refer your name to the Hospice Volunteer office. I suspect from this reading that none of you have the skill or the compassion to do that work. Walking with someone who is dying is a journey and a gift to those who walk with the dying. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.
My family is using Hospice right now. We do care for our family member. That's why he is home with his loved ones. His elderly wife cannot care for him alone, and we cannot be there 24 hours a day. He IS dying. I'm not sure why Mr. Day is having such a bad experience.
My family is using Hospice right now. We do care for our family member. That's why he is home with his loved ones. His elderly wife cannot care for him alone, and we cannot be there 24 hours a day. He IS dying. I'm not sure why Mr. Day is having such a bad experience.
and you had the CHOICE....that is the bottom line......choice....if you feel you need them, then by all means take it for what it is....if not,,,,then dont.....
it's amazing the world has spinned for so long without them....I think we have educated ourselves out of reality....no offense to the personal loses and grieving....just an observation/involvement in end of life care for 20 years......my condolences
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
When my stepdad became ill with cancer, he came back up to NY to be with family. Since he didnt have an actual home up here, we relied on Hospice for care. It was a wonderful place for him and he was happier there. Yes, he knew it was close to the end of his life. He knew that the cancer was too far gone. We all knew it. But the center in St Peters was so great to him and to us. My mom stayed there with him day and night and I quit my job to be with him in his last weeks of life. We were allowed to be there.
He wasnt a small man. Bathing him ourselves was next to impossible. They had a special bathing center there that he used. The family room was great. We would gather in there for meals and there were other families there for the same reason. We bonded with them and we helped each other get through it.
My dad died a happy man knowing that we all loved him and were there for him. The Hospice nurses took excellent care of him.
My dad was someone that liked to be playful and he flirted with all the nurses. He did that everywhere he went. Even waitresses. Everyone liked him. On his last couple of days, he promised a "date" with one of the nurses. He wasnt in the best of condition but he mustered up the strength to hang out with everyone in the family room and he played the piano while everyone danced and sang. Families we didnt even know joined in. And other Hospice patients. Everyone laughed and had a wonderful time.
He passed away in his sleep the next morning.
To me, having him somewhere where he would only be visited by a few family members wasnt the way for him to be. He liked the place and had fun with total strangers. That helped him, us and about 50 or so other people that didnt even know him. We all took shelter with the hearts of everyone there. And they took shelter in our hearts.
When Im in the hospital visiting someone or just driving by, I take some time and I visit. I donate books, movies and toys for the family room.
Sometimes you need someone to lean on. They cared for him there so we could just spend our time enjoying him for the time he had left.
I'm not disputing the fact on what caliber of service hospice has to offer. All I'm saying is that if you want to take care of your dying loved one at home, and have enough family support that hospice 'isn't needed'...........IT CAN'T BE DONE!! WHY?
Because the insurance companies will not supply a hospital bed, meds, oxygen etc....UNLESS.....Hospice is involved. So if an entire family has the physical, mental and spiritual ability to take care of their dying loved one at home, but needs certain medical supplies to accomplish that..........ya gotta have hospice. That's all I'm sayin'.
Did it...done it....lived it!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Gotcha... I understand now. Its true. Most insurance companies see that the person isnt worth their money and thats that. They need to see that these people NEED it. But of course they dont. I think that even if he was home, there is that level of personal care that people need help with. Not so much the physical items. And insurance wont even help supply a nurse to help with that.
Even the doctors turned everything over to hospice. THERE WAS NO CHOICE. Once hospice took over, there wasn't any communication with the doctors again!!
Hospice was good, but we didn't need them. We just needed the 'equipment'. We already had medical professionals in the family. Hospice became the overseers weather we wanted/needed them or not. Again......there was no choice!! The system is in place.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
the reason insurance companys wont 'give' until hospice shows up is so that there is a 'middleman' of sorts to manage what is needed, nurses have been set up as policemen of sorts for the medical system....the public complained to the government that waste was involved and the government set up rules/regs and boundaries... here is our Frankenstein....
women used to be the caretakers through their church and other organizations....now that women work there is a system set up to such....as good as hospice is, is also as good as the family is...we have what we have because we have what we have and it IS good....dont let the system say it can do better than you, it removes a little piece of your personal strength....hence big government....and the system(just like the great advertisers) will use our fear/grief against us, like we are the dumb and guilty......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Even the doctors turned everything over to hospice. THERE WAS NO CHOICE. Once hospice took over, there wasn't any communication with the doctors again!!
Hospice was good, but we didn't need them. We just needed the 'equipment'. We already had medical professionals in the family. Hospice became the overseers weather we wanted/needed them or not. Again......there was no choice!! The system is in place.
Much end of life care involves pain medication. forget about the equipment where do you think you are going to get the cherry flavored morphine or the fentanyl patches ?
Sometimes E. Day really says nutty things, sometimes he is right on. What can one say other than that.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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