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There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it.
Ron Paul

If something comes preinstalled in me such as the breath of life and liberty  why in the world would I need to external ruler to protect me,


I was  "voter" I would vote for Ron Paul.

But I just can not bring myself to vote for rulers.


We didnt come this far to get this far.
   random 12 year old


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Definition of LIBERTY



1

: the quality or state of being free: a: the power to do as one pleases b: freedom from physical restraint c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e: the power of choice


2

a: a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege b: permission especially to go freely within specified limits


3

: an action going beyond normal limits: as a: a breach of etiquette or propriety : familiarity b: risk, chance c: a violation of rules or a deviation from standard practice d: a distortion of fact


4

: a short authorized absence from naval duty usually for less than 48 hours

— at liberty


1

: free


2

: at leisure : unoccupied


See liberty defined for English-language learners »


See liberty defined for kids »


Examples of LIBERTY

a nation that values liberty and democracy
soldiers willing to die in defense of liberty
They gave him the liberty to handle the problem himself.
hard-won liberties such as freedom of the press


Origin of LIBERTY

Middle English, from Anglo-French liberté, from Latin libertat-, libertas, from liber free — more at liberal
First Known Use: 14th century


Related to LIBERTY





Synonyms: alternative, discretion, druthers [dialect], election, choice, option, pick, preference, selection, volition, way

Antonyms: dependence (also dependance), heteronomy, subjection, unfreedom


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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These polls are more propaganda.
The global elite are not settled on their pick for Chief Farmer of the USA  Plantation yet.
When they have decided the polls will reflect it.


We didnt come this far to get this far.
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These polls are more propaganda.
The global elite are not settled on their pick for Chief Farmer of the USA  Plantation yet.
When they have decided the polls will reflect it.


true


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it.
Ron Paul
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So if you're an atheist, or don't believe in a creator... Then You Have No Liberty???  I don't think so.

The USA has a constitution that by design left out one important word.. the word is god.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So if you're an atheist, or don't believe in a creator... Then You Have No Liberty???  I don't think so.

The USA has a constitution that by design left out one important word.. the word is god.


of couse you do....just because you dont name it or worship it doesn't leave you without liberty.....the question is, does someone/thing have to tell you that you have liberty and what it consists of?
who/what do you allow to set your liberty?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The US Constitution guarantees my liberty while I am an American citizen living in this country.  Not someone's creator,
not some one's god, not some one's religion.
My liberty exists in spite of a god, not because of one.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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So if you're an atheist, or don't believe in a creator... Then You Have No Liberty???  I don't think so.

The USA has a constitution that by design left out one important word.. the word is god.


The constitution was to restrict government not give us rights, it only outlined the rights we already had so the government would not infringe on them. Basically it's only as good as what we make of it, if we allow our government to sh*t on it then well it does no good now huh. How many unconstitutional laws have been passed in the last 10 years alone, quite a few. It takes action to keep that document alive and we haven't been doing to good from what I seen lately.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The constitution was to restrict government not give us rights, it only outlined the rights we already had so the government would not infringe on them. Basically it's only as good as what we make of it, if we allow our government to sh*t on it then well it does no good now huh. How many unconstitutional laws have been passed in the last 10 years alone, quite a few. It takes action to keep that document alive and we haven't been doing to good from what I seen lately.


Unconstitutional laws can be passed, but if challenged, the US Constitution will overrule the law.  
Try asking someone's creator to do that... I'll stick with the good ole Constitution.


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The US Constitution guarantees my liberty while I am an American citizen living in this country.  Not someone's creator,
not some one's god, not some one's religion.
My liberty exists in spite of a god, not because of one.


Glad to see you are progressing.  You used to believe the Constitution gave you your liberty.  You just need to clean up the second part of your post.  Your liberty is your birth right, everybody on earth is born free, regardless of belief of a god.  Our Constitution was designed to empower a limited government to protect use from those individuals that would infringe on somebodies liberties.  It was designed to be limited with checks and balances because our founders knew a large central government would be the greatest threat to our liberties.  Our system of checks and balances is gone and Washington DC is the capital of the world.  The modern day Rome.  I don't know if we could be further from the founders intent.


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Unconstitutional laws can be passed, but if challenged, the US Constitution will overrule the law.  
Try asking someone's creator to do that... I'll stick with the good ole Constitution.


Yeah tell that to the ACLU and see what response you get back, although I wish that was the case all of the time sadly it isn't. We failed to limit the power of the government so we failed to keep the constitution's role, I'm sure you know who called the constitution nothing more than a God damn piece of paper, now if a president believes that why would a government elected judge not feel the same way.



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Your liberty is your birth right, everybody on earth is born free, regardless of belief of a god..


Liberty is your birthright... unfortunately, in many countries your Liberty depends on your social standing, your wealth,
your power (or lack thereof) or laws.  Try practicing your 'birthright' in many countries concerning your freedom of
speech... Make sure you have lots of money and a good lawyer first.

What my 'birthright' actually is, depends on the laws of the land I happen to be born in.  My 'freedom of religion' is
dependent on the US Constitution's first amendment.  If that document didn't have it clearly spelled out... You could
post about my "birthright" all you wanted, but it would not exist.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Thank GOD (if you believe in god) for the ACLU!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Liberty is your birthright... unfortunately, in many countries your Liberty depends on your social standing, your wealth,
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Unfortunately, we are those other countries.  Are you telling me social standing and wealth doesn't grant you  more freedoms?  Just go to an airport.  Those that can afford a private jet don't have to be subjected to groping by $10 hr. TSA agent.  You think Nancy Pelosi or John Kerry and their families are subjected to that?  

America has turned into those other countries.  That is because the people have handed the government over to their party and have no idea what a government 'by the people' means.

Again...Everybody is born free.  That is not to say your freedom isn't threatened by oppression from the strong.  Our Constitution was designed to protect our liberties from those wanting to oppress.  Now it is our own government doing the oppressing.


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