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because people are hampsters....or is it sheep....? they assume the constitution gives special priviledge to the 2 party system....when in fact it doesn't.....the constitution stands with 3 parties or 2 parties......change in parties
does not equate to change in constitution....but they keep writing laws that give the illusion of the supremacy of the Dems and Reps......

when both parties appear the same the constitution actually is a solid foundation in which to launch a microscope and weed them out via another party....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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You are correct. You have to work within the system that is dealt to you. I'll tell ya one thing.....if paul doesn't get the nomination, his supporters will NOT back any of the other dimwit rep candidates. And the reps know that.  !


You got that that right, I know I sure won't vote for any of the other Republicans. If Paul doesn't get the nomination and doesn't run 3rd party I think we will see someone interesting step up to the plate and do so. Chances are I will probably do a write in or see who steps up to run in the Libertarian or Constitution party, if they get on the ballot



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The more US voters write in or vote for Paul... the more chance Obama has of being reelected.

Considering the lame excuse for Republican candidates, that's a good thing.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The more US voters write in or vote for Paul... the more chance Obama has of being reelected.

Considering the lame excuse for Republican candidates, that's a good thing.


that's why it's not about the 'god almighty' parties......dont worry the DEMS will get theirs too....time time time.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The Dems DID get theirs in the 2000 election when Ralph Nader gave the election to G Worst Bush.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Eventually the establishments of both parties will come together to preserve their power as the nation continues to fracture and these other factions move from grassroots populist movements and begin to organize politically.  Ron Paul/Tea Party sentiment isn't a fringe movement like the fringe Nader socialists.  Nader's supporters weren't looked at by the state as the enemy, because Nader followers believed in MORE state control.  Just like Occupy, the state and state controlled media likes when the people are desiring MORE state control.  They may condemn the violence, but not the sentiment.  It's the Ron Paul, Tea Party crowd the state does not like.  They are a threat to the government establishment, and the government establishment cannot give the Tea Party/Ron Paul supporters what they want, because that would require the bureaucrats and two party establishment relinquish some of their power.  

Election results will not much matter once people lose faith in our democracy and all the government institutions that have been established over the last 100 years.  The greatest protest Americans can do is not participate in the elections, because non participation will not give our government the consent of the governed.  

If you believe that not voting for either of the two major party establishment candidates is like throwing your vote away, then so be it.  Casting a vote for Paul may be the last vote cast for a presidential candidate for 10's of millions of Americans if they lose faith in the system.  Not participating at all would be worse than casting a protest vote.  At least with casting a vote, the people still have faith in the democratic system.  But I think people are quickly losing faith as they learn how the deck is stacked against challenges by candidates outside the two major parties.


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Eventually the establishments of both parties will come together to preserve their power as the nation continues to fracture and these other factions move from grassroots populist movements and begin to organize politically.  Ron Paul/Tea Party sentiment isn't a fringe movement like the fringe Nader socialists.  Nader's supporters weren't looked at by the state as the enemy, because Nader followers believed in MORE state control.  Just like Occupy, the state and state controlled media likes when the people are desiring MORE state control.  They may condemn the violence, but not the sentiment.  It's the Ron Paul, Tea Party crowd the state does not like.  They are a threat to the government establishment, and the government establishment cannot give the Tea Party/Ron Paul supporters what they want, because that would require the bureaucrats relinquish some of their power.  

Election results will not much matter once people lose faith in our democracy and all the government institutions that have been established over the last 100 years.  The greatest protest Americans can do is not participate in the elections, because non participation will not give our government the consent of the governed.  


Great idea Cicero... Don't vote.  
I wish the TeaBaggers would follow your advice and not vote when Obama Proposes a jobs bill.  Instead the
Tea Party Stooges Vote Against American Jobs.


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Great idea Cicero... Don't vote.  
I wish the TeaBaggers would follow your advice and not vote when Obama Proposes a jobs bill.  Instead the
Tea Party Stooges Vote Against American Jobs.


Sounds cute...But I'm talking about not voting for representatives in direct elections, not elected representatives not voting on a jobs bill.


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when a king/queen proclaims a 'jobs bill' they actually mean...OK go hunting in my woods, but you must give me 80% of your catch/kill


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The Dems DID get theirs in the 2000 election when Ralph Nader gave the election to G Worst Bush.


it takes more than 1 trick pony......and they must be bred at the hometown level first....ie:NNTP and such.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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With the Tea Party approval ratings dropping like a stone, I wouldn't be so quick to have Ron Paul's name associated with that
group.


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With the Tea Party approval ratings dropping like a stone, I wouldn't be so quick to have Ron Paul's name associated with that
group.


That was a little insider thing for those around in 07', that's why it said the Tea Party is back. It was more of a statement to the original Tea Party not what we seen lately, I guess you would have to been a part of his last campaign to understand it


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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V for Vendetta is a GREAT movie


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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the tea party movement was ONE prong....oh,,,and it worked....they all jumped.....occupy is prong #2.....

I'd say we're at a crossroads in America and the skirts of our leaders are up....can they pass the litmus test?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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