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Paul won the 'straw poll'.
What is a Straw Poll? Basically it's a fund raiser composed mostly of party activists. Often it measures how well a campaign can turn out it's own party staff and organizers... it doesn't measure in any way the opinion of the voters.
This Straw poll was compromised of less than 900 Republican activists votes, of which Paul won less than 400. |
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Obama Wins Take Back America Straw Poll
Obama wins Kansas straw poll
Obama wins Politico.com Straw Poll
Obama Wins Capitol Hill Straw Poll
Obama Wins Planned Parenthood Straw
Momentum continues...Obama wins Texas straw poll
Obama wins the overall MoveOn.org Iraq straw poll.
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Obama Wins Take Back America Straw Poll
Obama wins Kansas straw poll
Obama wins Politico.com Straw Poll
Obama Wins Capitol Hill Straw Poll
Obama Wins Planned Parenthood Straw
Momentum continues...Obama wins Texas straw poll
Obama wins the overall MoveOn.org Iraq straw poll.
Cicero's hallucinations continue again this morning. Really Cicero... take the drugs the Dr prescribed... we'll all feel better.  |
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Cicero's hallucinations continue again this morning. Really Cicero... take the drugs the Dr prescribed... we'll all feel better.
2007 straw polling...Doesn't mean anything...Until it means something.  |
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As I posted...
A straw poll a fund raiser composed mostly of party activists. Often it measures how well a campaign can turn out it's own party staff and organizers.
Well-known American straw polls include the Ames Straw Poll and the Texas Straw Poll, both conducted on behalf of the Republican Party. Being run by private organizations, they are not subject to public oversight or verifiability. However, they provide important interactive dialogue among movements within large groups, reflecting trends like organization and motivation.
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From the LA Times: "Saturday at the convention also featured a straw poll, conducted between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Pacific, with results announced during an evening banquet. Considering the large numbers of Paul fans who made their way to the Marriott, it's not surprising that he won the poll by a handy margin over second-place finisher Perry." Other than which candidate can get their staff to attend the meeting, straw polls are meaningless. (Who ever spends the money to packs the event with supports wins the straw poll.) (LA Times) http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....-poll-bachmann-.html |
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From the LA Times: "Saturday at the convention also featured a straw poll, conducted between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Pacific, with results announced during an evening banquet. Considering the large numbers of Paul fans who made their way to the Marriott, it's not surprising that he won the poll by a handy margin over second-place finisher Perry." Other than which candidate can get their staff to attend the meeting, straw polls are meaningless. (Who ever spends the money to packs the event with supports wins the straw poll.) (LA Times) http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....-poll-bachmann-.html
This is fun...Let's contrast the LA Times downplay of Paul's straw poll win to the POLITICO article on Obama's straw poll win in 2007.
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Senator Barack Obama scored a victory among progressive activists Wednesday, winning the Politico.com Straw Poll of attendees at the Take Back America Conference in Washington.
Obama received 29% of the 720 votes cast in the straw poll, narrowly beating out former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, and decisively knocking official front-runner Hillary Clinton into third place.
Edwards took 26% of the vote and Clinton 17%.
The poll establishes Obama and Edwards as a two-man top tier among the liberal segment of the Democratic base, said pollster Stan Greenberg, because they were also the most popular second choices for the nomination.
"If you look at this, you see Obama's [supporters'] second choice and Edwards [supporters'] second choice are each other -- in this group, the two of them form the top tier."
Those results may indicate that a majority of the activists surveyed are looking for a choice other than Clinton.
New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson came in fourth with 9% of the vote.
Al Gore came in fifth with 8% -- although he has not said he is running and was not included in the choices on the ballot. As a write-in, he beat out four declared candidates.
The poll (.pdf) also indicated intense concern about the Iraq war.
"Obama clearly has strength and a base and enthusiasm here among a network of progressive groups and activists," said Greenberg, whose Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research adminstered the poll.
You notice - Obama's 720 votes put him in the proverbial "top tier" of candidates in 2007. BUT..When Ron Paul wins straw poll after straw poll, it's just a few enthusiastic supporters. They make it sound like Paul busses around 1000 people to every state to show up at the straw polls. It's too funny. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4573.html |
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This is fun...Let's contrast the LA Times downplay of Paul's straw poll win to the POLITICO article on Obama's straw poll win in 2007.You notice - Obama's 720 votes put him in the proverbial "top tier" of candidates in 2007. BUT..When Ron Paul wins straw poll after straw poll, it's just a few enthusiastic supporters. They make it sound like Paul busses around 1000 people to every state to show up at the straw polls. It's too funny.
Of course Paul didn't buss 1000 people to the event... he bussed less than 400.  OBAMA WAS A REAL CANDIDATE... RON PAUL IS A FRINGE CANDIDATE! |
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Of course Paul didn't buss 1000 people to the event...
he bussed less than 400.
...but Obama's 208 straw poll votes puts him in the "top tier". Box, you're a marketing firms DREAM consumer. Where you judge political ads and candidates like Superbowl commercials. You like all style NO substance - hence Barack Obama. Who is your pick for 2012 Box - Coke or Pepsi? |
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there's ALOT of anger out there....and it ISN'T specific toward Obama.....it's leadership in general....the masses need to stop being victims and get their human spirit back that those in power for the last 40 years have beaten out of them
from their public school experiences and all the TV/hollywood psycho therapy that they ate up and were 'nourished' with.....shame shame shame.....
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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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...but Obama's 208 straw poll votes puts him in the "top tier". Box, you're a marketing firms DREAM consumer. Where you judge political ads and candidates like Superbowl commercials. You like all style NO substance - hence Barack Obama. Who is your pick for 2012 Box - Coke or Pepsi?
Cicero is trying so hard to find an issue where one does not exist. Obama's straw poll win was just as meaningless as Paul's. What a press release said about winning is irrelevant... Obama won the Democrat Primary, then the election. For Ron Paul to win, he needs to do the same thing in the GOP. |
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Obama's straw poll win was just as meaningless as Paul's. What a press release said about winning is irrelevant...
I'm not looking for an issue at all. I love how you always start your responses to me when I point out the hypocrisy. The point is HOW the media reports the straw polls...With Obama they hype it as momentous and they regurgitate what ever the pollsters tell them. While on the other hand, whatever Paul does in the straw polls they are always slanted to diminish the meaning of the results. The media establishment and punditry purposely try to creates apathy toward Paul any chance they get. Straw polls are suddenly "meaningless" when the guy the establishment is rooting against continues to win them. I'm not arguing the meaning of the straw poll, but instead the sudden meaninglessness of them amongst the media and republican and democrat pundits, ever since Ron Paul has been garnering HUGE support. |
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I assume that after Obama won the straw poll, he rose in the public polls. Someone could draw the conclusion that his ascent began with the straw poll.
When Ron Paul wins straw poll after straw poll, his public polls remain the same... between 5% to 15%.
How much value the 'media' puts on straw polls or what they infer from a candidate has little to do with me. Fox media distorts reality daily... media is a source of information, but you must always "consider the source".
If you value straw polls, and if Ron Paul is your candidate of choice, then you must be confident that he will sweep the GOP primary and the election in November.
I prefer to stick with reality. |
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Polls are used to shape public opinion, not reflect it. |
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Polls are used to shape public opinion, not reflect it.
OH! I had it backwards then... So a pollster will call you and he will tell you who the pollster will vote for. Cicero is so confused. |
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