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OMG.....abortion AGAIN?
This is 2011 and there are issues that need to be addressed TODAY!! This new generation is dealing with the bullcrap that was set into motion in the 60's!! The left over hippies need to remind this new generation that the unsustainable debt, unsustainable entitlement programs, the illegal wars, the immigration issue, the unemployment issue, the healthcareissue, the high tax issue, the intrusive government in private and public lives, the foreclosed homes are not quite as important or urgent as ABORTION............O-M-G!!!!


Apparently, Ron Paul disagrees with Bumble on the importance of Abortion in today's society:
Ron Paul Calls Abortion: 'The Most Important Issue of Our Age'
“I talk a lot about right-to-life,” said Paul, who called it “the most important issue of our age.”


(Sunshine State News)
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/ron-paul-takes-abortion-most-important-issue-our-age



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Ron Paul the 'alleged' libertarian, promotes an anti-women, anti-choice agenda.  
I wonder why his supporters don't publicize Paul's sponsoring a bill to repeal Roe V Wade???


~ Ron Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act bill in 2005 that would define personhood as beginning at conception and bar the Supreme Court from interfering with state prohibitions on abortion—essentially a permanent repeal of Roe v. Wade.  Interestingly, the bill only had five co-sponsors.
~  Ron Paul introduced this bill again in 2007, again with only five cosponsors.
~  In 2009, Ron Paul introduced the bill yet again with three cosponsors.

On the issue of abortion, Paul is anything but a 'libertarian'.


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The point is that you and Ron Paul both believe that: "evolution is an unproven scientific THEORY".

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For Cicero the following is pointless, but for the rest of the board:

     In science, a theory is a rigorously tested statement of general principles that explains observable and recorded aspects of the world. A scientific theory therefore describes a higher level of understanding that ties "facts" together. A scientific theory stands until proven wrong -- it is never proven correct. The Darwinian theory of evolution has withstood the test of time and thousands of scientific experiments; nothing has disproved it since Darwin first proposed it more than 150 years ago. Indeed, many scientific advances, in a range of scientific disciplines including physics, geology, chemistry, and molecular biology, have supported, refined, and expanded evolutionary theory far beyond anything Darwin could have imagined.




What does scientific theory have to do with the presidency?  I think in Paul's statement(the unedited one of course, not the edited one box presented to distort Pauls views), he clearly said evolution is an interesting topic to be discussed by the scientific community and theologians, not by politicians.  

How does Paul's opinion about the Theory of Evolution damage him as a candidate?  If you wanna talk looney, Al Gore believes Global Warming is created by man and fossil fuels.   This is a guy who invests in carbon offsets and flies around the country in this gulf stream giving insane speeches trying to sell that bullshit.


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Ron Paul the 'alleged' libertarian, promotes an anti-women, anti-choice agenda.  
I wonder why his supporters don't publicize Paul's sponsoring a bill to repeal Roe V Wade???


~ Ron Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act bill in 2005 that would define personhood as beginning at conception and bar the Supreme Court from interfering with state prohibitions on abortion—essentially a permanent repeal of Roe v. Wade.  Interestingly, the bill only had five co-sponsors.
~  Ron Paul introduced this bill again in 2007, again with only five cosponsors.
~  In 2009, Ron Paul introduced the bill yet again with three cosponsors.

On the issue of abortion, Paul is anything but a 'libertarian'.



And Obama voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.  Yep, on the issue of abortion, Obama is DEFINATELY a psychotic left wing ideologue that supports infanticide.

There are no babies safe, in or out of the womb, with Obama in charge.


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What does scientific theory have to do with the presidency?  I think in Paul's statement(the unedited one of course, not the edited one box presented to distort Pauls views), he clearly said evolution is a interesting topic to be discussed by the scientific community and theologians, not by politicians.  

How does Paul's opinion about the Theory of Evolution damage him as a candidate?


US voters should be informed about a Presidential Candidates views on any issue that educates the voters about a candidates values, judgement and political views.
If Ron Paul is (as his stance on evolution clearly shows) 'anti science', the voters should be informed on this issue.  
Evolution is SCIENCE
Creationism is RELIGION (Not Science)

A President who injects his personal Religion into legislation is a danger to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.  

IMO, Paul's Religious beliefs interfere with his qualifications to be President.
(The Oath Of Office)
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.


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If Ron Paul is (as his stance on evolution clearly shows) 'anti science', the voters should be informed on this issue.  




He's a trained doctor, now he's anti-science...

You're too funny box...A one minute and twenty-nine second sound bite(or the 49 sec. edited one to distort) to one question now clearly defines Paul's position on science and his position on evelution.  WOW!!!   Such a complex topic, Paul can articulate his position in 1:29.  His 40 YEARS as a trained professional in MEDICINE can now be totally disregarded and ignored because a 1:29 youtube clip.


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He's a trained doctor, now he's anti-science...

You're too funny box...A one minute and twenty-nine second sound bite(or the 49 sec. edited one to distort) to one question now clearly defines Paul's position on science and his position on evelution.  WOW!!!   Such a complex topic, Paul can articulate his position in 1:29.  His 40 YEARS as a trained professional in MEDICINE can now be totally disregarded and ignored because a 1:29 youtube clip.


Paul isn't alone in his anti science views.  The Religious Right spends millions trying to discredit actual science to promote their religious views.

Paul in his own words... (From YOUR full length unedited video)
~ "I think there is a theory, the theory of evolution, I DON'T ACCEPT IT".

Along with Paul's views on Abortion, his close association with the John Birch Society, his views on Race, Ron Paul is out of the mainstream of American values... He's a very attractive fringe candidate.






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Paul isn't alone in his anti science views.  The Religious Right spends millions trying to discredit actual science to promote their religious views.


Paul must have lied and cheated his way through medical school.  As a doctor, I'd imagine he was trained in science and biology...Why is his opinion on the topic of evolution, as a trained doctor, who has been trained in the sciences, be dismissed as "fringe"?  I'll tell you why, it's because the left wing totalitarians need to have complete control of speech, thought, right, and wrong, up, down, left and right...If you dare challenge the status quo which has been determined by the ruling elite, the totalitarians will smear you and marginalize you as fringe, or anti-whatever. And the funny thing is, they do it in the name of being "progressive"...

The fundamentalist belief in the science of evolution and abortion, is equal or greater than that of any fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.  They have complete faith in their believe of both, and aggressively defend their beliefs of science and abortion when challenged.  


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Paul must have lied and cheated his way through medical school.  As a doctor, I'd imagine he was trained in science and biology...Why is his opinion on the topic of evolution, as a trained doctor, who has been trained in the sciences, be dismissed as "fringe"?  

Cic seems obsessed and overwhelmed with the fact that Ron Paul, as well as being a fringe candidate for President, is also a medical doctor.
You'd think that a guy smart enough get a medical degree would believe in the actual SCIENCE of Evolution, instead  of the magic, and voodoo of religion.

When one of his patients needs an appendectomy, I wonder if Paul consults a medical journal, or if he consults  the Bible, Koran or the Talmud for the procedure?
  
Maybe when it comes to  medicine Ron Paul believes in Science, but when it comes to pandering for votes (and right wing dollars) he believes in Religion.




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When one of his patients needs an appendectomy, I wonder if Paul consults a medical journal, or if he consults  the Bible, Koran or the Talmud for the procedure?


When abortion doctors perform an abortion and pro-abortion politicians support on demand abortion, I wonder if those doctors and politicians consult a medical journal for the biological definition of human life and the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm?  Or do they look to the alter of liberalism and feminism and pandering for votes?  


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When abortion doctors perform an abortion and pro-abortion politicians support on demand abortion, I wonder if those doctors and politicians consult a medical journal for the biological definition of human life and the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm?  Or do they look to the alter of liberalism and feminism and pandering for votes?  

Doctors don't need to "pander for votes"... Just politicians.

Many of those older doctors who've witnessed a woman die from a botched abortion, have no problem preforming that procedure... they remember the days before Roe V Wade, when only wealthy women had access to safe abortion on demand.
Today's Right Wingers like Paul would return the USA to those barbaric days of Abortion on Demand (if your wealthy and connected), and back alley coat hanger abortions for everyone else.



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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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What is funny is that the boomers decided to legalized abortion(agreed), moved along the civil rights stuff(agreed), liberated women to work(agreed)
and left behind a socialized effect, of which I am totally shocked at. they fought the 'socialized norm' of their childhood time to make one of their
own and are completely shocked when others find it 'offensive' and NON-LIBERATING.

fundamentally ya'll are back at square one thinking it's THE BEST OF THE BEST. You now know how Archie Bunker felt(not that I agree with him).

just an observation....

so please get your socialized a$$ off my back, your legacy lives.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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