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Henry
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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Many Oath Keepers including the founder of Oath Keepers are Paul supporters, I'm not sure if Paul is a supporter but I'm guessing he has no problem with them as long as they don't infringe on another's rights.



Oath Keepers are most often police and military.  For an individual officer to decide which laws are Constitutional and will be obeyed or disregarded is, in itself, a dereliction of duty.  In the military ( and I suppose also in law enforcement) there are provisions for being ordered to carry out an "illegal order".  Oath keepers view what they consider to be "constitutional" to be legal... for the rest of America, the supreme court decides what is and is not Constitutional.

If Paul supports Oath Keepers, or if Oath Keepers see a friend in Ron Paul... It's just one more reason for Americans to disregard Ron Paul as a serious Presidential Candidate.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Thanks for the Oath Keeper video... I've seen many of them. They all pretty much say the same thing... "I DECIDE WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL... and I DECIDE WHAT LAWS TO OBEY".  

Much of the reason for the HHS warning about Domestic Terrorism is the infiltration of Oath Keepers into law enforcement and military.




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Ron Paul Supports Oath Keepers... Kind of ends any possibility of many Americans from ever voting for Paul  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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since we have 'active' and 'retired' marines in our family........I can say that they support and stand behind the Oath Keepers and the constitution and the declaration of independence.......and God!

They collectively agree that ron paul is the only one who has a vision for this country and to bring it back to being the great country that it once was and still can be.  And I agree!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I think many Americans would actually go for that once they understand what they're talking about. Especially you Box considering he brought up the police and military during the civil rights protest, are you saying it was ok for police to hose down and sick dogs on those peaceful protesters


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since we have 'active' and 'retired' marines in our family........I can say that they support and stand behind the Oath Keepers and the constitution and the declaration of independence.......and God!

They collectively agree that ron paul is the only one who has a vision for this country and to bring it back to being the great country that it once was and still can be.  And I agree!!


Most of our soldiers do, this is why Paul gets more support and donations from our active service members then even our commander in Chief Obama


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since we have 'active' and 'retired' marines in our family........I can say that they support and stand behind the Oath Keepers and the constitution and the declaration of independence.......and God!
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As I am an Ex Marine as was my son, my uncles and many friends, I can't speak for all Marines but I can speak for myself and many that I know... The Oath Keepers do NOT represent The United States Marine Corps or do we agree with their radical views.

From the United States Marines Official  Web Site...

The Oath
Every Marine’s first commitment

"Marines pledge themselves completely to the Constitution of the United States. From the day they enlist and throughout their service, the oath every Marine takes is a promise and a reminder of their commitment to the defense of our nation."

The Oath Keepers are in direct violation of this oath.

(USMC The Few The Proud The Marines)
http://www.marines.com/main/index/making_marines/culture/traditions/the_oath




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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Time for those who support the modern day Tea Party to understand it's roots


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The TeaParty Is Toast!
As has often been cited on this board, the Tea Party is a dying group.
How bad is Americas opinion of TeaBaggers???

Tea Party support is down to 20%.

TeaBagger approval finished:
behind Republicans in the poll,
behind Democrats,
behind Muslims,
behind Atheists,
they even finished behind the Crazy Christian Right!

In fact approval of the TeaParty finished dead LAST of the 23 groups polled.

(Stick a fork in the TeaBaggers... they're done!)

(NY Times)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?_r=1&ref=teapartymovement



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the only reason the government now uses the word 'terrorist' as a 'new' word is because they had to heat up the rhetoric to get ahead of the
video game generation and media driven generation.....but that term is getting very very very worn....

as for the TEA PARTY---THERE NEVER WAS AN OFFICIAL PARTY.....it is a movement and it should be woven into the minds of many.....kind of
like the hippies and their 'movement' was woven into a generation that affected policies....get it.....it doesn't go away....it gets ABSORBED

ockhams razor always swings....energy in motion stays in motion.....there will be an affect and it wont be what the 'fear' folks are talking about...
as a matter of fact they are the ones talking doomsday crap and using fear....shame shame shame


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Bumble and Henry two excellent videos : )
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Bumble and Henry two excellent videos : )


Excellent video's ... yea if you're a Ron Paul supporter already.  These video's are preaching to the choir, but they don't say much to the people that Paul should be targeting... Unhappy Republicans, Independents and Democrats.



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Rick Perry's entrance into the presidential race has done two things to Michele Bachmann. One: It has prevented her from getting much liftoff outside of Iowa after her narrow win in Ames. Two: It might be closing off her path to an upset win outside of Iowa and Minnesota, both caucus states. The new Magellan poll of New Hampshire puts Bachmann in fourth place, behind both Perry and Ron Paul.

    Romney - 36%
    Perry - 18%
    Paul - 14%
    Bachmann - 10%
    Cain - 3%
    Huntsman - 3%
    Gingrich - 2%
    Santorum - 1%

Paul's polling at about twice what he scored in New Hampshire last time. With Gary Johnson getting no traction, and with Democrats having no real cause to vote in their primary, that's a lot of libertarian and anti-war voters in play. One in seven voters back him; these are voters that Perry and Bachmann would like if they're going to surprise in New Hampshire and start playing in the other states.

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