Box, I see you and Cyril disagree all the time, but this is one of his best posts. I be entertained to here your response rather than just dismissing him.
OK Better, this one's for you.
Cicero takes a shovel full of rant and throws it at this board. No real thought behind it. It's goes in all directions at the same time, hoping that some of it sticks.
I'll try to make it brief.
Quoted from CICERO
What is Obama? With multiple military operation in the Middle East, continuation of Gitmo, the continuation of extraordinary rendition, the continuation of "Bush Tax Cuts", the cozy relationship with multi-national corporations like GE, raking in HUGE donations from the "fat cats" on Wall St. and fat cat bankers. What do you see that is different? You don't think this debt limit debate or "theater" by the party leadership is real do you? If Boehner and McConnell didn't have to deal with the Rand Paul's and Marco Rubio's this debt ceiling would have been raised and both parties would have taken a share of the money to bring back to the big money donor multi national corporations that fund the campaigns.
Both parties have been failing for DECADES. You don't rack up $14 TRILLION in debt and call it success.
1. ~ What is Obama?
Barack Hussein Obama is the duly elected president of the United States. But also the first Black US President... a fact that many here can't seem to live with.
2. ~With multiple military operation in the Middle East,
Iraq and Afghanistan, are Bush wars started in the Middle east... Libya is in Africa, not the middle east.
The Two Middle East Wars are George Worst Bush's failure, left for Obama to solve.
The Iraq disaster is winding down, and there is a plan to end major troop involvement in Iraq by the end of the year. If Iraq requests US assistance beyond that time, some troops may continue there. So far they have not asked.
Afghanistan is now (IMO) Obama's war. His surge was militarily successful, but there is no success in Afghanistan, so the Surge was irrelevant. Afghanistan is at a crossroads and as far as I'm concerned, that war ended with the killing of Osama Bin Laden. But like Iraq, getting out of Bush's Afghanistan fiasco is so much more difficult that starting that war.
Libya is a short term NATO mission. Every day more countries recognize the opposition forces in Libya to be the legitimate government there.
As a side note: When Ronnny The Reygun bombed Libya in 1986, two U.S. Air Force captains — Fernando L. Ribas-Dominicci and Paul F. Lorence — were killed when their F-111 fighter-bomber was shot down over the Gulf of Sidra. Republicans were cheering Reagan on then. Today they, like Cicero, seem to take the Gadaffi's side in the battle... they are miraculously transformed into Peace Advocates! LOL As yet, Obama has keep US troops safe in months of missions... something the GOP god, Reagan didn't do.
3. ~continuation of Gitmo, the continuation of extraordinary rendition.
Both false statements. Although Obama's promise to close Gitmo has not happened, the situation there is no longer the Bush Torture Chamber of the past. Since taking over as president, Obama has not added one new prisoner at Gitmo. The only captives there are GWorst Bush's prisoners. Rendition ended with Obama's swearing in as president.
4. ~the continuation of "Bush Tax Cuts"
YUP! What drives Democrats crazy about Obama is that he actually still believes in Bipartisanship... He believes in negotiations with the Republicans. Obama wasted the first two years trying to find common ground with Republicans, instead of acting like a Republican and just pushing his bills through Congress when he had a chance. Fairness with the GOP is an Obama weakness, not his strength.
5. ~ the cozy relationship with multi-national corporations like GE.
OMG!!! Cicero is complaining that a Democrat is acting like a Republican!!! Funny!
6. ~raking in HUGE donations from the "fat cats" on Wall St. and fat cat bankers.
This is one of Cicero's favorite ploys... he just says it. No facts. He wants it to be true so he says it as if it were true. But of course, it's just more of Cicero's propaganda.
The truth? From the NY Times, 2nd quarter campaign finance reports:
"49% of Obama's $46.3 million came in donations under $200, and 26% were maximum $2,500 donations.
Most of Obama's donations are from every day donors... working middle class people who can only afford a few dollars. Only 26% were from maxed out donors (Cicero's fat cats)
By comparison:
6% of Romney's were under $200, while 70% were the maximum.(Fat cats galore, but average man... not so much)
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance?hp&ref=politics7. ~If Boehner and McConnell didn't have to deal with the Rand Paul's and Marco Rubio's this debt ceiling would have been raised and both parties would have taken a share of the money to bring back to the big money donor multi national corporations that fund the campaigns.
Just more Cicero blather. IMO, most Republicans see Paul as a fringe candidate and ignore him.
8.~ (Finally) Both parties have been failing for DECADES. You don't rack up $14 TRILLION in debt and call it success.
The presidency of Bill Clinton was an economic success. He even balanced the budget... something not done in decades. Many Republicans wanted a NeoCon to win in 2000, but would have been quite happy with a continuation of the Clinton Economic successes. Since Bush was such a total failure in almost every thing he attempted, the opposition seeking to disguise that total failure, lump both parties together as if it were the same problem. Clinton (except for his Monica disaster) was very successful. Bush was a total failure. Cicero's take... they were the same.
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There ya go Better. Cicero takes a shovel of Right Wing $hit and throws it at this board. It's a lot of work to respond to all his BS, so I no longer bother, but because you asked, I did respond to your post.
I don't expect that you will agree with my views, but you asked so I've explained them.
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