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GREAT VIDEO!!!! thanks!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Just think of how science could be taught if it contained ONLY SCIENCE... no religion.  Kids would learn the Facts, and not the propaganda.

Just think of how History could be taught if it contained ONLY HISTORY... no religion, no Right Wing (or left wing) Propaganda.

Just think of how our kids could succeed if they learned FACTS instead of Religious Doctrine.

If you want religion go to church and read your bible.
If you want science go to school and read science books.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If you want science go to school and read science books.



Government approved science books.  


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Government approved science books.  


Government approved science books???
OR as Cic would have it...
Religious approved science books.  

With the earth only 2000-3000 years old and evolution only a "theory"...
YEA!
Science books with scientific facts ... not religious fairy tails.


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Government approved science books???
OR as Cic would have it...
Religious approved science books.   .


No, I said community approved or parent approved.  Not the federal government or president.  I understand that is a radical concept.  That's as dangerous as leaving sex ed up to the parent.  


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Do any Ron Paul groupies have a problem with Ron Paul's position on Creationism???  I find it difficult to vote
for any one, of any party, who considers science to be... (in Paul's words) unproven.
His explanation that Evolution is just one "theory" is laughable.  It's similar to discussing "the Flat Earth Theory"!


Ever think of why they call something theory?  It's simply because it's not PROVEN FACT!  If you say that evolution is a fact, then where is your proof?  What documentation do you have to show that the Earth is older than the other side says?  They have written documentation.  You?


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Ever think of why they call something theory?  It's simply because it's not PROVEN FACT!  If you say that evolution is a fact, then where is your proof?  What documentation do you have to show that the Earth is older than the other side says?  They have written documentation.  You?


What written document supports the world being 2000 -3000 years old??? The bible??? LMAO!

The age of the Earth is 4.54 billion years. This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite
material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. Following the scientific
revolution and the development of radiometric age dating, measurements of lead in uranium-rich minerals
showed that some were in excess of a billion years old.
The oldest such minerals analyzed to date – small crystals of zircon from the Jack Hills of Western Australia
– are at least 4.404 billion years old. Comparing the mass and luminosity of the Sun to the
multitudes of other stars, it appears that the solar system cannot be much older than those rocks.
Ca-Al-rich inclusions (inclusions rich in calcium and aluminium) – the oldest known solid constituents
within meteorites that are formed within the solar system – are 4.567 billion years old, giving
an age for the solar system and an upper limit for the age of Earth.


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So what existed 4.568 billion years ago?  

Your beliefs and truths are based on what is "known" and what "appears" to be.  Yet, scientific theory isn't considered a system of belief.
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material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples


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it appears that the solar system cannot be much older than those rocks.


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Science based on FACTS (although occasionally to be in error) is at least based on facts.
Science based on Religion is not science.  Similar to science based on fairy tales, or science based on fiction...
it's useless.

An example... when the first European ships landed in what is now Vietnam, the local people consulted their
religious books to discover what these strange things were.  Their conclusion based on their religious
documents... The European ships were actually DRAGONS!

When you go to a doctor in many parts of the world... the doctor will "cast out demons" with spells and
trances... (Religion)
In other parts of the world, doctors use actual science and medical knowledge, not religion to heal disease
or injury... Science)



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Ever think of why they call something theory?  It's simply because it's not PROVEN FACT!  If you say that evolution
is a fact, then where is your proof?  What documentation do you have to show that the Earth is older than the other
side says?  They have written documentation.  You?


Rampage has an inaccurate view of the meaning of the word "Theory".

"Evolution is both fact and theory" is a statement that appears in numerous publications on biological evolution.
The statement is framed to clarify misconceptions about evolution primarily in response to creationist statements
that "evolution is only a theory". In the context of the creationist claim, theory is used in its vernacular meaning
as an imperfect fact or an unsubstantiated speculation. The purported intent is to discredit or reject the scientific
credibility of evolution. However, this claim cannot be substantiated.
In the statement "evolution is both fact and theory", evolution as theory refers to the scientific (as opposed to
the vernacular) definition of theory. In the first scientific meaning, a theory is an overarching framework that
makes sense of otherwise disconnected observations and includes, for example, the theory of gravity. Evolutionary
theory unifies observations from fossils, DNA sequences, systematics, biogeography, and laboratory experiments.
Theodosius Dobzhansky, a key contributor to the modern evolutionary synthesis, articulated the unifying
power of evolutionary theory in a famous paper entitled: "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light
of evolution".
In the second scientific meaning, a scientific theory of evolution describes the causes of evolution, as distinct
from the more straightforward factual claim that evolution occurs. Natural selection and the neutral theory
are examples of theories of evolution in the second scientific sense. These and many other causal evolutionary
theories can be expressed in the mathematical framework of population genetics. Since Darwin, the theory
of evolution by means of natural selection has not only been expressed mathematically, but has also been
rigorously tested and corroborated empirically by scientific evidence from countless studies. Evolutionary
theories continue to generate new testable hypotheses within paleontology, genetics, ecology, and developmental
biology.
A fact is not a statement of certainty, but through repeated confirmation it is generally accepted as true
according to the reliability of inference (inductive, deductive, and abductive). Facts are "events that occur"
or "the state of being of things" that can be publicly verified, proven through experiment, or witnessed by
direct observation.
That all forms of life on Earth are related by common descent with modification is
one of the most reliable facts in the biological sciences.



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Science based on FACTS (although occasionally to be in error) is at least based on facts.
Science based on Religion is not science.  Similar to science based on fairy tales, or science based on fiction...


Box, if you go back in time, many scientific FACTS are now considered scientific FALLACY.  I already gave the example of how the coming ice age turned into global warming in just 30 years.  Bloodletting and leeching was accepted evidence based science as late as the 19th century.  If the internet were around 150 years ago, you would be defending bloodletting since the scientific community conducted studies proving it...And you would provide colorful charts and graphs showing the overwhelming evidence produced by these scientists.  

Science is your God Box, it is your religion...And the left wing authoritarian in you wants to force your faith in science on every man woman and child in America.


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Box, if you go back in time, many scientific FACTS are now considered scientific FALLACY.  I already gave the example
of how the coming ice age turned into global warming in just 30 years.  Bloodletting and leeching was accepted
evidence based science as late as the 19th century.  If the internet were around 150 years ago, you would be
defending bloodletting since the scientific community conducted studies proving it...And you would provide colorful
charts and graphs showing the overwhelming evidence produced by these scientists.  

Science is your God Box, it is your religion...And the left wing authoritarian in you wants to force your faith in
science on every man woman and child in America.


Jezzzzzzzzzzz Cic... READ A BOOK!

Your lack of knowledge is amazing... really!
~The coming ice age was one theory... not the consensus, but one view among many.

~
Bloodletting
Bloodletting was a common practice which DID SOME GOOD and also did harm... and for it's time was a reliable
practice for SOME issues.  The problem is that doctors of their time knew that it worked some of the time but had
no idea why it worked when it was successful.
If you're interested, read below:
Bloodletting's Benefits
http://men.webmd.com/news/20040910/bloodlettings-benefits

~Leaches & Maggots:
Leaches for modern medicine in amputations:


Modern-day leeches are  use to drain excess blood after surgery. “The classic use is when a finger is reattached
surgically,” says Kosta Mumcuoglu, a parasitologist at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. “Even if the surgeon
succeeds nicely in reattaching the arteries, they often have problems with the veins, so blood can enter the
finger but not return to the body. Then it’s a short time until the blood in the finger coagulates and the patient
loses the finger.”

*Maggots are now once again gaining respect in the medical field. Their use even has a name, maggot
debridement therapy or MDT. Maggots are efficient healers of wounds. This was recognized centuries ago
when wounded soldiers whose wounds were infested with maggots healed better than those that were not
infested. The reason for this is that the maggots used for this purpose eat dead tissues and leave the healthy,
living tissues alone. They also excrete substances which inhibit and may even kill bacteria. This is especially
useful in areas with poor blood supply that do not benefit much from antibiotics that cannot reach the area
in adequate concentration to do their job.

Cicero.  Your total lack of any Scientific Knowledge is amazing.  Did you even pay attention in science class?
Really!  I'm surprised that you as an adult know less about basic scientific facts than the average 4th grader.
Get a science book... forget your religious agenda... and learn something!



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Do any Ron Paul groupies have a problem with Ron Paul's position on Creationism???  I find it difficult to vote
for any one, of any party, who considers science to be... (in Paul's words) unproven.
His explanation that Evolution is just one "theory" is laughable.  It's similar to discussing "the Flat Earth Theory"!


nope


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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