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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Veterans for Ron Paul 2012


http://www.facebook.com/VetsforRonPaul


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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He nailed it in that debate. One thing I noticed is the difference 4 years can make, in the last election the candidates would smirk or laugh at his ideas, now they pay attention as if they're taking notes on what the role of government should be. I loved the Fanny Mae question and how he kinda directed his hand movements toward Gingrich, the audience picked that up as well LOL.


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He nailed it in that debate. One thing I noticed is the difference 4 years can make, in the last election the candidates would smirk or laugh at his ideas, now they pay attention as if they're taking notes on what the role of government should be. I loved the Fanny Mae question and how he kinda directed his hand movements toward Gingrich, the audience picked that up as well LOL.


It's almost funny to hear the 'day after debate' news. The three candidates echoed paul's sentiments on many issue....and the msm gave the three candidates the credit for the ideas without even mentioning paul's name!!!

But I agree......Paul nailed it for sure!!!


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Gingrich and Romney are starting to work in some of Ron Paul's platform.  Problem is...Nobody trust's it when it comes out of Romney and Gingrich's mouths.  But they do recognize they need Paul's supporters and delegates.


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If Ron Paul "NAILED THE DEBATE" then we should see a dramatic upswing in his poll numbers... Nailed it??? Should bring a
noticable 30 or 40 % rise in his polls as the others drop into oblivion.


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If Ron Paul "NAILED THE DEBATE" then we should see a dramatic upswing in his poll numbers... Nailed it??? Should bring a noticable 30 or 40 % rise in his polls as the others drop into oblivion.


No, large up swings happen when the people are emotionally stirred by rhetoric.  Kinda like the Obama sheep.  His empty rhetoric sounded good enough and motivated people to actions. Paul's support is a steady incline.  The Paul supporters read and study his governing philosophy.  Paul is a not great rhetorical speaker.  He is not a great debater, though he is getting better.  Paul has permanently changed the political landscape in America.  American liberalism is on the decline


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Paul's support is a steady incline.  The Paul supporters read and study his governing philosophy.  Paul is a not great rhetorical speaker.  He is not a great debater, though he is getting better.  Paul has permanently changed the political landscape in America.  American liberalism is on the decline


Ron Paul support... um, "incline".

Latest poll shows support for Ron Paul plummeting
Thursday, January 26, 2012/ The State Column

Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul may have a loyal base of supporters, but the latest Rassmussen poll shows support for his campaign plummeting at the national level.

Nationally:
~ Gingrich 35 percent
~ Romney 28 percent,
~ Rick Santorum 16 percent,
~ Paul with just 10 percent (Slightly down from where he started the race 9 months ago.
Not much of an INCLINE)

Favorable opinion
Romney  73 percent
Gingrich 63 percent,
Santorum 59 percent
Paul  35 percent.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/latest-poll-shows-support-for-ron-paul-plummeting/





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Paul's rolling 5 day trend Paul inching up.  Let's not forget, we live in a Republic.  

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx


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Paul's rolling 5 day trend Paul inching up.  Let's not forget, we live in a Republic.  

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx


YES!  INCHING UP!       

I went to Cicero's site and read his Ron Paul Numbers from the graph... This is what I found:

On 12/5   Ron Paul was at:  8%
On 12/12 Ron Paul was at:  8%
On 12/22 Ron Paul was at: 13%
On 1/2     Ron Paul was at: 13%
On 1/10   Ron Paul was at: 13%
On 1/25   Ron Paul was at: 13%

Ron Paul has been as high one day as 14% and as low on your chart as 6%, but basically at where he was 9 months
ago when he announced his candidacy.  



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Oh NO!  Say it isn't so!

"Ron Paul Approved Racist Newsletters"

The Republican presidential candidate has denied writing inflammatory passages in the pamphlets from the 1990s and
said recently that he did not read them at the time or for years afterward. Numerous colleagues said he does not hold
racist views

But people close to Paul’s operations said he was deeply involved in the company that produced the newsletters,
Ron Paul & Associates, and closely monitored its operations, signing off on articles and speaking to staff members
virtually every day.

“It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product. . .
He would proof it,’’ said Renae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company and a supporter
of the Texas congressman.


(The Washington Post)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....IQAvblFVQ_story.html


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His support never goes to another candidate.  His supporters don't jump to another candidate because they make a witty comment during a debate. Newt, Mitt, and Rick S. are not fundamentally changing people’s view on the role of government - Ron Paul is.  People that support Ron Paul have taken the time to learn his philosophy on the role of the federal government, economics, and foreign affairs.  

Ron Paul's argument is easy.  What is the role of the state?  How much force can the state use on the individual?  How much liberty can the state deny?  Once people begin opening their eyes to the contrast between Ron Paul and the rest of the statists n the democrat and republican establishments, the way they view America changes.  


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His support never goes to another candidate.  His supporters don't jump to another candidate because they make a witty comment during a debate. Newt, Mitt, and Rick S. are not fundamentally changing people’s view on the role of government - Ron Paul is.  People that support Ron Paul have taken the time to learn his philosophy on the role of the federal government, economics, and foreign affairs.  

Ron Paul's argument is easy.  What is the role of the state?  How much force can the state use on the individual?  How much liberty can the state deny?  Once people begin opening their eyes to the contrast between Ron Paul and the rest of the statists n the democrat and republican establishments, the way they view America changes.  


The numbers ( even the numbers that you posted) show that Ron Paul has a very loyal group of supporters, but since
he announced his candidacy, his support hasn't grown.  It was between 6 and 15% and is stagnant.

Bachmann left... Huntsman left... Santorum is fading... and Paul remains between 6 and 15%.  His fans are still
cheering... but they have nothing to cheer but their own loyalty to a lost cause.


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The numbers ( even the numbers that you posted) show that Ron Paul has a very loyal group of supporters, but since he announced his candidacy, his support hasn't grown.  It was between 6 and 15% and is stagnant.

Bachmann left... Huntsman left... Santorum is fading... and Paul remains between 6 and 15%.  His fans are still cheering... but they have nothing to cheer but their own loyalty to a lost cause.


Let's look at polling vs. the actual results and average of the first 3 primaries and caucuses.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/calendar

Newt = 13.3 - 9.4 - 40.4 = 21%
Mitt = 24.5 - 39.3 - 27.8 = 30.5%
Rick = 24.6 - 9.4 - 17.0 = 17%
Ron = 21.4 - 22.9 - 13 = 19.1%

http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....nomination-1452.html

Based on the Realclearpolitics average polling, it looks like Ron Paul has out performed the professional polling average by 6 or 7 percent. Newt is under performing by 10%.  Mitt is within the margin of error of 3%, and Rick is also within the margin of error.

So the conclusion is...You can look at the polls or you can look at results.  Reality at the actual polls isn't accurately reflecting the polling for Ron Paul.  Ron Paul is out performing his national polling numbers.


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