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So much of politics is perspective... when Ron Paul wants to get rid of Roe V Wade, I see that as Paul forcing
his view on to me.  
Paul pounds every speech with Smaller Govt... I read this today about Paul's Smaller Govt:

Ron Paul’s Sanctity of Life Act:
Government SO small it can fit inside your uterus.


The government is already involved.  It determines when a fetus is a life.  If a pregnant woman is assaulted and the unborn fetus dies the state charges the person with manslaughter.  If the pregnant woman chooses to kill the fetus it's choice


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The government is already involved...

Yes it IS involved... and it should be involved... It's called freedom.  Freedom to keep Ron Paul and his band of Smaller
Govt  (except in the case of your own body) extremists, away from personal decisions.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I have a cure for the entire Anti Choice/Pro Choice problem.

~Compile a data base of all the married couples who are Pro Life in the USA.
~When a woman wants an abortion... she goes to a hospital, the fetus is removed and shoved inside the uterus of an
Anti Choice woman from the list.  
~The pregnant woman is no longer pregnant, and the couple who "value every unborn life" can "value" their new found life.

No more abortions... no more debate... no more "killing the innocent"... Everyone's happy.

(BTW, that list of US  Pro Life married couples would shrink from today's number in the millions to about 8 couples in
less than a week after this policy is in force.)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Is that what I believe???

I believe that  most laws were created for the benefit of the citizens.
  You seem believe that most laws were created to subdue the masses.


you are 1/2 correct....I refuse to put 100% of my safety into the hands of the elected or my neighbors....do you? (I'm not trying to be difficult here, honest)


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I have a cure for the entire Anti Choice/Pro Choice problem.

~Compile a data base of all the married couples who are Pro Life in the USA.
~When a woman wants an abortion... she goes to a hospital, the fetus is removed and shoved inside the uterus of an
Anti Choice woman from the list.  
~The pregnant woman is no longer pregnant, and the couple who "value every unborn life" can "value" their new found life.

No more abortions... no more debate... no more "killing the innocent"... Everyone's happy.

(BTW, that list of US  Pro Life married couples would shrink from today's number in the millions to about 8 couples in
less than a week after this policy is in force.)



Easier solution would be to have a nationwide ballot initiative to classify a fetus as life or tissue.  If American recognize a fetus as tissue, the state cannot charge a person with manslaughter if the fetal tissue is destroyed during an assault.  Since fetal tissue doesn't have Constitutional rights.


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So much of politics is perspective... when Ron Paul wants to get rid of Roe V Wade, I see that as Paul forcing his view on to me.  
Paul pounds every speech with Smaller Govt... I read this today about Paul's Smaller Govt:
Ron Paul’s Sanctity of Life Act:
Government SO small it can fit inside your uterus.

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I have a cure for the entire Anti Choice/Pro Choice problem.
~Compile a data base of all the married couples who are Pro Life in the USA.
~When a woman wants an abortion... she goes to a hospital, the fetus is removed and shoved inside the uterus of an
Anti Choice woman from the list.  
~The pregnant woman is no longer pregnant, and the couple who "value every unborn life" can "value" their new found life.
No more abortions... no more debate... no more "killing the innocent"... Everyone's happy.
(BTW, that list of US  Pro Life married couples would shrink from today's number in the millions to about 8 couples in
less than a week after this policy is in force.)


So, in other words, what you’re saying is that it should be illegal for the government to tell someone who hasn’t made any sort of commitment in life to throw themselves into bed with someone and create a life, but instead, it should be against the law for someone to decide that they DON’T want a part of someone else’s body thrust unwantedly into their body, not knowing who it is coming from or what their situation was to decline having the same “lump of cells” as it would be from your side of the aisle forced into their bodies?

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No more abortions


Guess that depends on your definition of the word abortion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortion
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a•bor•tion [uh-bawr-shuh n]   Show IPA Noun  1.Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo orfetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.


You still have to perform an "abortion" in order to transplant the baby, but don't let that bother you, you don't care if people have abortions or not, as long as those who want no responsibility have none.


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So, in other words, what you’re saying is that it should be illegal for the government to tell someone who hasn’t made any sort of commitment in life to throw themselves into bed with someone and create a life, but instead, it should be against the law for someone to decide that they DON’T want a part of someone else’s body thrust unwantedly into their body, not knowing who it is coming from or what their situation was to decline having the same “lump of cells” as it would be from your side of the aisle forced into their bodies?

You seem to be in favor of one group being FORCED to carry out a pregnancy, and yet against it being FORCED
upon another group.

IMO, the entire abortion issue has never been about the fetus... It's about control.
  The Church attempts to control it's flock from unmarried couples having sex.  They used threats of 'eternal
damnation' which doesn't work, so they use threat of (what used to be) shame of an unwed woman's pregnancy.
Once that lost it's sting, they used the Government by passing laws prohibiting abortion.  It was never about the
"value of unborn life"... the issue is controlling unmarried sex in society.
The Christian Right uses this issue to force legislation, and Right Wing Legislators use this issue to get elected by
the Christian Right.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Ron Paul Wins Endorsement From Nevada Prostitutes
Owner says, 'I'm pimping for Paul!'


Read more: http://www.wgy.com/cc-common/n.....567243#ixzz1iapjXvGl

Has Herbert Hoover's campaign promise of "a chicken in every pot" taken a new twist?
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The new slogan will be "A hooker in every Hooch".
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You seem to be in favor of one group being FORCED to carry out a pregnancy, and yet against it being FORCED
upon another group.

IMO, the entire abortion issue has never been about the fetus... It's about control.
  The Church attempts to control it's flock from unmarried couples having sex.  They used threats of 'eternal
damnation' which doesn't work, so they use threat of (what used to be) shame of an unwed woman's pregnancy.
Once that lost it's sting, they used the Government by passing laws prohibiting abortion.  It was never about the
"value of unborn life"... the issue is controlling unmarried sex in society.
The Christian Right uses this issue to force legislation, and Right Wing Legislators use this issue to get elected by
the Christian Right.  



That is because your mind is warped.  You advocate FORCING low income parents to pay school taxes in failing schools or face criminal penalty, but the preservation of the unborn is somehow about control.  

EVERYTHING YOU ADVOCATE IS ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL!!  Except the choice to destroy a viable life in the womb...


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"The demographics are that Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, even Texas will all be in play."
-- Sen. John McCain, quoted by NBC News, adding,
"We have to fix our problems with the Hispanics."

Republican perceived racism and racist immigration policy will hand the Hispanic vote to Obama by default.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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Paul and Romney are the only two that have the money and organization in place to run a national campaign.  


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The first post-Iowa Suffolk University poll in New Hampshire shows:
Mitt Romney at 41%,
Ron Paul at 18%,
Rick Santorum at 8%,
Newt Gingrich at 7%,
Jon Huntsman at 7%
Rick Perry at 1%.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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