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Box A Rox
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Iowa???
A Conservative Heaven???
I don't think so!!!

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Ron Paul still has a lot of ammo to use.  He hasn't even laid a glove on Santorum or Romney yet.  Wait until those ads hit the airwaves.  Santorum talks conservative, wait until he hits him with his votes on gun rights(Lautenberg Gun Ban) and his vote on the perscription drug bill, and his endorsement of Arlen Specter.  This is just getting started.  We'll see how these things play in NH, and SC.


Romney wins NH...   Santorum  and Paul are irrelevant.


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Iowa???
A Conservative Heaven???
I don't think so!!!

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OK Box...let me simplify it...we are talking about the REPUBLICAN primary.. the republican electorate here is conservative. That's why social conservatives do well in the REPUBLICAN primary.. got it?


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OK Box...let me simplify it...we are talking about the REPUBLICAN primary.. the republican electorate here is conservative. That's why social conservatives do well in the REPUBLICAN primary.. got it?


OK TBird...let me simplify it.. Republicans, Democrats and Independents vote in the Iowa Republican Caucus... not
just Republicans.
If I were a citizen of Iowa, I would have voted and I'm a registered Democrat.


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OK TBird...let me simplify it.. Republicans, Democrats and Independents vote in the Iowa Republican Caucus... not
just Republicans.
If I were a citizen of Iowa, I would have voted and I'm a registered Democrat.


I'd be willing to bet the republican voters out numbered the Dem and Independent voters at least 3 to 1...you up for it? simple enough?


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I'd be willing to bet the republican voters out numbered the Dem and Independent voters at least 3 to 1...you up for it? simple enough?


If the 3 to 1 guess is true... then Dems and Inds could have given a commanding victory to either Paul or Santorum...
in a REPUBLICAN CAUCUS.


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If the 3 to 1 guess is true... then Dems and Inds could have given a commanding victory to either Paul or Santorum...
in a REPUBLICAN CAUCUS.


but they didn't... You assume the independents and dems in Iowa are as meddling as you would be.


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but they didn't... You assume the independents and dems in Iowa are as meddling as you would be.


I don't consider it "meddling" to select who I can vote for in a presidential election.  I consider it my obligation.
If all Americans voted in primary elections, the field would be full of REASONABLE candidates, instead of the
present bag of rejects that no one wants.
There are a lot of good Republicans out there who could run for office, but opt to sit on the sidelines and wait
for the TeaBaggers to finish their self destruction.  Hopefully, once the GOP Crazies run their course, the
field will again contain a few qualified, intelligent and reasonable Republicans.


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The GOP Iowa caucus doesn't pick Republican winners... it eliminates Republican losers from the race.


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I don't consider it "meddling" to select who I can vote for in a presidential election.  I consider it my obligation.
If all Americans voted in primary elections, the field would be full of REASONABLE candidates, instead of the
present bag of rejects that no one wants.
There are a lot of good Republicans out there who could run for office, but opt to sit on the sidelines and wait
for the TeaBaggers to finish their self destruction.  Hopefully, once the GOP Crazies run their course, the
field will again contain a few qualified, intelligent and reasonable Republicans.


That line made me laugh out loud....Name the last republican you voted for in a national or statewide election?
You are as partisan as they come. Allowing independents and non-party members to vote in a party primary is nonsensical. That's like allowing KKK members to vote for who is on the ballot for a new president of the NAACP.


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Name the last republican you voted for in a national or statewide election?

You are as partisan as they come. Allowing independents and non-party members to vote in a party primary is nonsensical.


Not being able to vote in a GOP primary in NY State, I sent a donation to John McCain in his bid to run for president
in 2000.  At that time McCain was running as a "maverick" with his major focus on Election Reform and Limiting
lobbyists. McCain was shut out of the NY primary by NY Republicans who refused to let him on the ballot.

  Iowans in each party's caucuses must be registered with that party, but Participants can change their
registration at the caucus location. So everyone who votes for a GOP candidate (technically) IS a Republican.





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Not being able to vote in a GOP primary in NY State, I sent a donation to John McCain in his bid to run for president
in 2000.  At that time McCain was running as a "maverick" with his major focus on Election Reform and Limiting
lobbyists. McCain was shut out of the NY primary by NY Republicans who refused to let him on the ballot.

  Iowans in each party's caucuses must be registered with that party, but Participants can change their
registration at the caucus location. So everyone who votes for a GOP candidate (technically) IS a Republican.




So... no, you haven't..that's fine. Cuomo was the first statewide/nationwide Dem I have voted for in a while..maybe back to Sam Stratton or the first Mcnulty term...locally, party affiliation doesn't mean much.

GOP? Technically yes... in reality, I doubt it. Iowa is one of the few states that allows this... the states that don't have correctly identified the possibility of party poaching and dealt with it.


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.Name the last republican you voted for in a national or statewide election?
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I live in a Republican swamp... on off year elections some years there are NO Democrats anywhere on the ballot.  
I've voted for several Republicans in local elections.

The last State or National Republican candidate that I voted for was probably Wacky Patacki, and I may have
voted for him twice.



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Frustrated idealists sometimes turn to anarchy when they realize the rest of society disagrees with their view.



I would say most turn to Anarchy when society tries to force their views onto them, that's just the sad fact of what you want and that is a pure democracy.



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I would say most turn to Anarchy when society tries to force their views onto them, that's just the sad fact of what you want and that is a pure democracy.


So much of politics is perspective... when Ron Paul wants to get rid of Roe V Wade, I see that as Paul forcing
his view on to me.  
Paul pounds every speech with Smaller Govt... I read this today about Paul's Smaller Govt:

Ron Paul’s Sanctity of Life Act:
Government SO small it can fit inside your uterus.


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