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There is no good candidate in the GOP because the GOP is stuck in a cycle of shedding it's TeaBaggers.
There are a lot of qualified Republican men and women who could be running for President, but IMO, they are
waiting for the Republican party to regain it's sanity before stepping into the ring.
Once the TeaBaggers are pushed to the fringes of the party, the GOP can return to it's former position as a viable
political party.


How do you on one hand claim the "Teabaggers" were a creation of Fox News and the Republican Party - and on the other hand claim they are an independent movement that needs to be pushed to the fringe by Republican Party?  

It is the big government war and welfare machine that is under assault in America.  The Republican Party is the vehicle being used to spread the message.  


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How do you on one hand claim the "Teabaggers" were a creation of Fox News and the Republican Party - and on the other hand claim they are an independent movement that needs to be pushed to the fringe by Republican Party?  


I didn't.

The TeaBaggers are a creation of Radical Right Wingers Conservatives.  They founded them, funded them and
the Propaganda Machine FoxSnooze, promoted them.
Those who were 'moderate Republicans, independent minded Republicans or even some reasonable Conservative
Republicans were pushed aside in favor of TeaBaggers.  They either drank the tea or were defeated in a Republican
primary.
Teabaggers are not an "independent movement" but a radical faction of Republicans.  The sooner they are eliminated
from the Republican party, the sooner the party can actually progress beyond being The Party Of NO!






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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I didn't.

The TeaBaggers are a creation of Radical Right Wingers Conservatives.  They founded them, funded them and the Propaganda Machine FoxSnooze, promoted them. Those who were 'moderate Republicans, independent minded Republicans or even some reasonable Conservative  Republicans were pushed aside in favor of TeaBaggers.  They either drank the tea or were defeated in a Republican primary.

Teabaggers are not an "independent movement" but a radical faction of Republicans.  The sooner they are eliminated from the Republican party, the sooner the party can actually progress beyond being The Party Of NO!


That doesn't even make sense. So the Republican Party needs to eliminate the people that gave them a majority in the House?

I don't have the time right now.  But I'm pretty sure I can find some quotes from you that support Nancy Pelosi's claim that the Tea Party movement was "astroturf", which means it was fake, not authentic, and a creation of the Republican Party establishment.  The Ron Paul "tea party" movement is in direct opposition of the neocon Party establishment.  The Republican Party and Fox News tried to control the movement and direct it for their gain, but they are losing control of it, and we realize it was never really controlled by them.  


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the Tea Party movement was a generational infighting.....the 'elders' always consider the 'kids' on the fringe.....hence the hippies.....

the party IS NOT a god......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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A new InsiderAdvantage poll in Iowa:
  Romney  23%,
  Paul at 22%,
  Santorum at 18%,
  Gingrich at 16%,
  Perry at 10%,
  Bachmann at 6%
  Huntsman at 2%.


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The vote counting is moving to a secret location and amazingly Romney and Santorum make a unbelievable jump in the polls, yup nothing to see here look the other way


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The vote counting is moving to a secret location and amazingly Romney and Santorum make a unbelievable jump in the polls, yup nothing to see here look the other way


As long as the votes are counted in a secret location, the losers can claim foul... Unless of course Ron Paul is the
Winner, in which case, every vote was counted and recorded fairly!  


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As long as the votes are counted in a secret location, the losers can claim foul... Unless of course Ron Paul is the
Winner, in which case, every vote was counted and recorded fairly!  


I would rather have it open to the public or at least have campaign staff present. Even if Paul wins I would argue it is a shitty thing to do over a BS threat they received, maybe it will all be legit but what about the next time they want to do it in a secret location.


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I would rather have it open to the public or at least have campaign staff present. Even if Paul wins I would argue it is a shitty thing to do over a BS threat they received, maybe it will all be legit but what about the next time they want to do it in a secret location.


An open public, or at least open to Republicans would seem to be the only fair way to count the vote.


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A New Republican Candidate Enters the Campaign In Iowa!

To the People of Iowa
Dear Voters of Iowa:

Here is why I am writing to you today: on Tuesday, you will go to your caucuses and choose from among a field of
Republican presidential candidates.  And let me tell you, the idea of any of these people getting nuclear weapons
scares the $hit out of me.

This is just one of many differences between your country and mine.  In North Korea, we lock up the criminally insane.
In America, you let them debate on TV.  Right now you have people running for President I would not trust to take care
of my plants.

So who do I recommend you vote for on Tuesday?  In a word, me.

If you think about it, I am the most Republican candidate of all.  In North Korea, we have no taxes.  We have achieved
that through a conservative policy of no jobs.  Also, we have no wasteful “big government” programs providing food,
shelter, or safe drinking water.  And am I pro-life?   I believe that life begins at conception and ends at starvation.

I think when you look at all the facts, voters of Iowa, you’ll realize that Kim Jong-un is the Republican who most deserves
your vote.  And if you’re still not convinced, remember this: at least I’m not Mitt Romney.

Peace out yo,
Kim Jong-un
Your Supreme Leader


From the Borowitz Report
http://www.borowitzreport.com/


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DC Tea Party Founder Endorses Ron Paul

Her letter

    Writes Lisa Miller, founder of Tea Party WDC:

    I’ve been a supporter of Michele Bachmann since I founded Tea Party WDC in the spring of 2009. I’ve appreciated her stalwart support of Tea Party activities and in her speeches she maintained allegiance to our principles of fiscal responsibility, Constitutional limited government and free markets.

    It wasn’t until I was sexually assaulted by a female TSA employee at Reagan National Airport in September on my way to Florida for the Tea Party Presidential debate that I took another look at her vote for the Patriot Act, which created the conditions for the assault. As the risk/benefit can’t justify the body x-rays or the pat downs on domestic flights I realized that their are all types of mal-investment. Preying upon fear is just another tactic to justify more government spending. As I live a few miles from the Pentagon, I realized that I had fallen for it too.

    I was please to find (Ron Paul) hadn’t passed much legislation. As we are choking on all the laws and regulation Congress produces, his instinct not to add to our burden was refreshing.

    Ron Paul’s platform proposes the deepest cuts in a manner that, by the end of his Presidency, the private sector will have not only recovered the jobs eliminated but be on our way to full employment.

    I applaud his well thought out policy prescriptions in consolidating and streamlining enumerated powers so we have a stronger military with more effective strategic tactics when dealing with real threats. We will have less civilian and military casualties with better relations and business opportunities the world over.

    Our debt is our greatest National Security risk…

    No government program will ever match the strengths of a free market. The math says we can’t wait another four years to cut government spending. The misguided view that big government can be “fixed” would be a disaster and would continue this horrid slide into poverty and impotence.

    A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for a more just society where the most people have the most opportunity.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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DC Tea Party Founder Endorses Ron Paul

Her letter

    Writes Lisa Miller, founder of Tea Party WDC:

One Conservative TeaBagger from DC,  decides to vote for Ron Paul.  

Is that really a positive endorsement, or a condemnation... Many Americans would look at that as a negative fact,
not a positive one.



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Many Americans would look at that as a negative fact, not a positive one.


How many Americans would think that?


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One Conservative TeaBagger from DC,  decides to vote for Ron Paul.  

Is that really a positive endorsement, or a condemnation... Many Americans would look at that as a negative fact,
not a positive one.



Sadly its a women who had to find out the hard way why we shouldn't give up our liberties for security. Her being a Tea Party leader in DC means nothing to me but her waking up to what we face means everything to me. 1 person may not matter to you but to our cause its a lot.



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How many American would think that?

According to the Pew Research Center poll in August
Favorable view of Tea Party:
36% of Americans view the TeaBaggers Party as favorable.
32% for college grads
35% of high school grads
17% of Democrats
36% of Independents

When I read... "Endorsed by a TeaBagger" I and many of the above mentioned, see it as a Negative, not a Positive.


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