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Henry
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At the same event some hippy flea baggers tried to interrupt Paul's speech by yelling but were quickly over shouted by cheers of "Ron Paul", the flea baggers were quickly escorted out, their 10 seconds of fame failed just like their movement


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A political action committee which had planned to support Michele Bachmann's presidential campaign has very quietly
defected to Mitt Romney
— and it's spending big on his behalf.

Citizens for a Working America, the so-called Super PAC that aired TV ads against a Democratic congressional candidate
last year, had indicated earlier this year that it was backing the Minnesota congresswoman in the GOP nominating contest.
But the group instead made a $475,000 Iowa ad buy on Christmas Eve in support of Romney, according to Federal Election
Commission data published today.

The so-called independent expenditure was listed as supporting Romney's candidacy, and an Iowa political operative who has
seen the ad confirmed to The Daily that it's a 30-second positive spot about the former Massachusetts governor that doesn't
mention any other candidate.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I watched the Ron Paul Rally for Veterans tonight and it was wonderul. A veteran in his mid 80's did the pledge of allegience and also sang proudly.
Then a Senator endorsed Ron Paul. After RP spoke a few minutes two woman started shouting out something and were escorted out.
Very enthusiatic large diverse group of supporters. : )

Also here is a new ad that will be out soon.

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Ron Paul’s Rise Hurts the GOP and Helps Obama

Michael Medved Dec 29, 2011
The greater Ron Paul’s success, the better chance the Democrats have of using his crackpot notions to characterize
all of the GOP.
Few of Ron Paul’s enthusiastic supporters actually expect their curmudgeonly, 77-year-old champion to win election
as president of the United States, but they nonetheless plan to give him their votes in Republican primaries in order
“to send a message” to the GOP and the nation at large.

Any honest assessment of Ron Paul’s unconventional campaign suggests that whatever successes it manages to
achieve can send only two signals, both of them disastrous to Republican prospects and the conservative cause.

~ First, and most obviously, increased attention to the perplexing Paul phenomenon only serves to strengthen
the core argument for Barack Obama’s reelection: that today’s Republicans have become a wild and crazy bunch,
harboring oddball, irresponsible notions that place them far outside the American mainstream and make them
untrustworthy when it comes to the serious business of governance.

~ Second, the notion that the Republican Party remains hopelessly divided, helpless to cope with its most
oddly obsessed activists, and utterly unable to provide the unifying, competent leadership that most Americans
crave.


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InsiderAdvantage poll in Iowa shows:
  Romney,  Gingrich and  Paul each at 17% .
Santorum at 13%,
Michele Bachmann at 12%,
Rick Perry at 11%
Jon Huntsman at 3%.

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A new American Research Group poll shows:
Romney  22%,
Gingrich at 17%,
Paul at 16%
Santorum at 11%.


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I watched the Ron Paul Rally for Veterans tonight and it was wonderul. A veteran in his mid 80's did the pledge of allegience and also sang proudly.
Then a Senator endorsed Ron Paul. After RP spoke a few minutes two woman started shouting out something and were escorted out.
Very enthusiatic large diverse group of supporters. : )

Also here is a new ad that will be out soon.



EXCELLENT VIDEO!!! Paul IS the ONLY one that can and will attempt to change this country back to it's roots. And the 2 party machine is obviously threatened by this guy!!!! I actually find it exciting and picture proof of how the 2 party machine is grasping at any straw they can find and use against Paul.

Funny how in the beginning of this primary run.....Paul's name was NEVER mentioned in the main stream media. And why? Because no one looked at him as a viable candidate. Today....you will find his name everywhere. Everywhere that can paint a negative light on him.

GUESS PAUL IS MORE VIABLE THEN FIRST THOUGHT, HUH?

If paul does not get the nomination.........obama will most definitely be a 2 term pres!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Ron Paul is running as a Republican, for the Republican nomination... HE IS PART OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM, and if
(hell freezes over) and he wins, Paul will have to work inside the two party system.  President Paul will have to
work within the two party system, not separate from it.


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Not true box.  Paul would have a clear mandate, and opposition to Paul's platform would be political suicide.


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Not true box.  Paul would have a clear mandate, and opposition to Paul's platform would be political suicide.


Yea Right!  Good one  

Barack Obama was elected with a "clear mandate" for health care reform, including a "single-payer"option.
  Obama had the support of most Democrats and some Republicans...
How did his "Clear Mandate" turn out???

What chance would Paul have with his "clear mandate" when he has neither Republicans or Democrats on his side?



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Yea Right!  Good one  

Barack Obama was elected with a "clear mandate" for health care reform, including a "single-payer"option.
  Obama had the support of most Democrats and some Republicans...
How did his "Clear Mandate" turn out???

What chance would Paul have with his "clear mandate" when he has neither Republicans or Democrats on his side?


Barack Obama was elected based on empty rhetoric of "hope and change" NOT policy.  He claimed he was going to "Transform" Washington DC, but nobody really knew HOW.   Obama was a clever politician with a compliant media and never was specific to what hope and change exactly was, and was never asked what it was.  He never said during his campaign he would MANDATE health insurance for all Americans.  He used much more non-descript words like 'overhaul' health care.  Then in 2010 after he rammed through Obama care, and Pelosi said you have to pass it to see what's in it, and realized that it forced every American to purchase heath insurance, his mandate of hope and change quickly went away, and he was destroyed in the mid terms.  Hope and change really meant more of the same...It was big government on steroids

Ron Paul isn't seeking the Presidency for power and control over American lives.  His justice department wouldn't he as intrusive into state issues, the epa and other unelected bureaucracies would be closed. The bully pulpit would be used to continually bring his message of small government and personal liberty to the people.



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If (pigs can fly) and Paul is elected president... How does Paul carry out his plan when most Democrats and most Republicans oppose any bill he proposes?

~Paul proposes we close all US bases overseas... Congress and the Senate vote NO.   End of Ron Paul's plan.  

Next?


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A new Public Policy Polling survey in New Hampshire finds:
Romney  at 36%,
Paul at 21%,
Ginbgrich at 13%,
Huntsman at 12%,
Bachmann at 7%,
Roemer,  Perry, and Santorum at 3%


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~Paul proposes we close all US bases overseas... Congress and the Senate vote NO.   End of Ron Paul's plan.  

Next?


Ron Paul as commander and chief re-deploys troops from bases overseas, to U.S. mainland bases.  Congress has no say over troop deployment.

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If (pigs can fly) and Paul is elected president... How does Paul carry out his plan when most Democrats and most Republicans oppose any bill he proposes?

~Paul proposes we close all US bases overseas... Congress and the Senate vote NO.   End of Ron Paul's plan.  

Next?


The same way Obama ordered thousands of more troops to Afghanistan, the president has the power to move troops without consulting congress. The president just doesn't have the power to start wars without congress, well that is under a president who follows the constitution unlike Obama.



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The President is the commander in chief... but:
The President of the United States of America has the power to overrule acts of Congress based on Article One, Section Eight. If the President of the United States of America does not execute such Article One, Section Eight-based decisions on the part of Congress, the President of the United States of America is committing a high Crime that justifies Impeachment. Article One, Section Eight says Congress has the power "[t]o define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations" (clause 10) Terrorism is against the "Law of Nations" which means Congress gets to decide how terrorists are to be dealt with. In addition, Congress has power "[t]o constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court" which means Congress is supposed to decide where and how terrorists are tried. Congress, further, has the power "[t]o declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water" (clause 11). Congress gets to decide how captured terrorists and enemy soldiers are treated. Congress gets to say if torture is not okay and the President of the United States of America does not have the power to disregard the decision.

In addition, Congress has power "[t]o constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court" (clause 9) which means Congress is supposed to decide where and how terrorists are to be tried.

Congress also has power--

"[t]o raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years" (clause 12) "[t]o provide and maintain a Navy" (clause 13) "[t]o make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces" (clause 14) This gives Congress the ability to keep more troops from going where Congress does not want them to go and it also gives Congress the ability to recall troops. The President of the United States of America does not have the power to disregard these decisions.


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