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there will ALWAYS BE SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTIONS......they always existed.......


Really Senders??? Safe legal abortions have always existed????
Not in the USA.  In my lifetime, abortions went from a crime, where even seeking one was considered a crime, and
any doctor (or 1st year med student drop out) preforming an abortion would go to jail...
to
A safe legal procedure.

In 1972 (the year before abortion was federally legalized),  39 women died as a result of known illegal
abortions. Since abortion was illegal, many more deaths were suspected to be the result of a botched illegal
abortion but not included in the CDC data.

You are correct that Safe Abortions have always existed... if you were among the wealthy.  For the rest of American
women, they were not.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Really, I've read a lot of what Paul says...I don't recall him saying this.  Reference please?




Paul says he will eliminate Roe V Wade, making abortion illegal and he wants to punish those who preform abortion.


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Paul says he will eliminate Roe V Wade, making abortion illegal and he wants to punish those who preform abortion.


Eliminating Roe v Wade doesn't make abortion illegal, just like decriminalizing marijuana doesn't make drugs legal.  It just takes it out of federal jurisdiction and makes it a state issue.  Your example is more wild conjecture not fact.  


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As was the life of my first grandbaby who was alive and had a heartbeat in her Mommy's womb and then she passed away, and I saw this beautiful little baby on the ultrasound and my heart broke for my daughter and her husband to know there first child was gone : (

We never got to hold her or hear her cry, we never got to smell that sweet baby smell or feel that soft downy hair on her head, but my daughter felt her kick, she nourished her, she loved her. She was in our hearts the moment we knew she was there and she will always be in our hearts.


The incidence of spontaneous abortion (miscarriage)  is estimated to be 50% of all pregnancies.  Many miscarriages
occur early in a pregnancy before a woman even knows that she is expecting.  Some are caused by medical
problems or genetic problems in the fetus. Others miscarry for unknown reasons.

The loss of a pregnancy is a tragedy.
But for some women, a pregnancy is also a tragedy.




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Eliminating Roe v Wade doesn't make abortion illegal...


In the video Paul says he wants to punish those who preform abortion.
  How does he plan on punishing someone for an act that isn't illegal???  Vigilante Ron Paul???



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In the video Paul says he wants to punish those who preform abortion.
  How does he plan on punishing someone for an act that isn't illegal???  Vigilante Ron Paul???


No...Ron Paul said during the interview that American society view on life would have to start from the bottom up, and not by government top down.  Then the interviewer asked what would the roll if any does the government have in abortion.  And he said in the context of the quetion, that on a STATE level, if the state determine that a fetus is a life, the roll of government would be to punish those that take a human life.  

If Row v Wade was overturned, it may very well end up that all 50 states adopt the current standards.


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Q.  Is it true that Ron Paul wants to legalize Heroin in the USA?
A.  "If you look at a truly free society, that's where it would lead to." (Ron Paul)

Q.  On the issue of abortion, do you support a woman's right, FREEDOM to have an abortion?
A. "I'm for repealing Roe V Wade..." (Ron Paul)
A. "(Abortion) is an act of violence and government should prevent and punish acts of violence... we punish all
other acts of violence and criminality... it has to be punished."
(from post #1201(Ron Paul))

CNN Interview with Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_EbL9jlrPk


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Box, you are still misrepresenting the facts.  Ron Paul doesn't advocate the federal government criminalizing abortion.  As candidate Paul, he believes it is a state issue, and would allow states to deal with the issue through their legislatingbody and courts.  He wants to take it out of Federal jurisdiction.  


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Box, you are still misrepresenting the facts.  Ron Paul doesn't advocate the federal government criminalizing abortion.  As candidate Paul, he believes it is a state issue, and would allow states to deal with the issue through their legislatingbody and courts.  He wants to take it out of Federal jurisdiction.  


I have no problem understanding Ron Paul's view.  Paul knows that Americans overwhelmingly support Roe V Wade,
a law that Paul will work to repeal.
He then gives his view on what he will do if elected...
"(Abortion) is an act of violence and government should prevent and punish acts of violence... we punish all
other acts of violence and criminality... it has to be punished."   Paul doesn't say may be punished if the
states criminalize abortion... he says IT HAS TO BE PUNISHED.  Not much doubt there is there.


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"(Abortion) is an act of violence and government should prevent and punish acts of violence... we punish all
other acts of violence and criminality... it has to be punished."   Paul doesn't say may be punished if the
states criminalize abortion... he says IT HAS TO BE PUNISHED.  Not much doubt there is there.


I watched the Wolfe interview and I didn't hear Ron Paul say this.  I did hear him say he is for repealing Row V Wade which would return it back to the states.  I think you are mixing apples and oranges to fit you agenda.  I think the quote above is in response to the governments roll in the abortion issue.  And his response was based on the premise the states were dealing with the issue.  Never once did he say he would as president propose legislation or enact a regulation that would PUNISH doctors performing abortions.  He has always said it is up to the states to deal with crime.  Repealing roe v wade doesn’t automatically make abortion illegal.  That is a lie.  


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I watched the Wolfe interview and I didn't hear Ron Paul say this.  I did hear him say he is for repealing Row V Wade which would return it back to the states.


As I posted above:

A. "(Abortion) is an act of violence and government should prevent and punish acts of violence... we punish all
other acts of violence and criminality... it has to be punished." (from post #1201(Ron Paul))



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Really Senders??? Safe legal abortions have always existed????
Not in the USA.  In my lifetime, abortions went from a crime, where even seeking one was considered a crime, and
any doctor (or 1st year med student drop out) preforming an abortion would go to jail...
to
A safe legal procedure.

In 1972 (the year before abortion was federally legalized),  39 women died as a result of known illegal
abortions. Since abortion was illegal, many more deaths were suspected to be the result of a botched illegal
abortion but not included in the CDC data.

You are correct that Safe Abortions have always existed... if you were among the wealthy.  For the rest of American
women, they were not.


more than 39 people died of abdominal surgery in the past year....why? because more folks are accepting it as normal and having it performed.....

THE SAFE ABORTIONS WERE BY WOMEN/FOR WOMEN.......the only reason they were unsafe as we became more 'urbane' or civilized or citified or what ever you want to call it is because the
penile control medical profession were a bunch of 'F' ups.......

there are plenty of non-medical and non-manmade chemicals....but,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and control cant be made on that.......

PS dont forget viagra isn't for women....chemical birthcontrol is....that's so viagra sales skyrocket, got that in your 401k????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Q.  Is it true that Ron Paul wants to legalize Heroin in the USA?
A.  "If you look at a truly free society, that's where it would lead to." (Ron Paul)

Q.  On the issue of abortion, do you support a woman's right, FREEDOM to have an abortion?
A. "I'm for repealing Roe V Wade..." (Ron Paul)
A. "(Abortion) is an act of violence and government should prevent and punish acts of violence... we punish all
other acts of violence and criminality... it has to be punished."
(from post #1201(Ron Paul))

CNN Interview with Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_EbL9jlrPk



there are STILL ADDICTS even when it is illegal
there are STILL abortions even if the FEDS dont have control over it......remove the penis and the $$$ and we're good to go.......for women/by women.....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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