1. Is there anyone on this board who actually thinks that Ron Paul has a chance at being nominated by the GOP? Not... "IS IT POSSIBLE," but an actual shot at being nominated as the Republican Presidential Candidate? 2. If not... Is there anyone on this board who actually thinks that Ron Paul will win a 3rd party victory to be the US President?
I believe he can but it won't be easy. The biggest threat isn't Obama but instead the GOP, the neo-conservatives still make up a huge portion of the party and they will fight very hard to nominate someone else. I'm at the point where I don't really care, I will vote for what I believe in and that is Paul's message. If the GOP doesn't nominate Paul I will simply write him in or hopefully cast a vote if he does run 3rd party, if the GOP loses so be it, at this point what the hell is the difference.
Paul is doing very well though so I do have hope, he is tied for first in Iowa, 2nd in New Hampshire and from what I read polling 1st in South Dakota. Newt is going to continue to get hammered on his record, if the GOP wants to try to nominate him they're in deep you know what.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So far it seems many on this board will vote for Paul because they think it is the right thing to do.. but not because they think that he will be elected.
Many voted for Ralph Nader for the same reasons. They agreed with Nader's message, but knew he would never win.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So far it seems many on this board will vote for Paul because they think it is the right thing to do.. but not because they think that he will be elected.
Many voted for Ralph Nader for the same reasons. They agreed with Nader's message, but knew he would never win.
Not even a close comparison. Nader barely registered in the national polls. Nader wasn't offering much different than what the two major parties offered.He just offered a variation on bigger government. Ross Perot was the same thing, he promised to manage big government more efficiently. Ron Paul offers something completely different in post 19th century American politics. CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT and governing by those principles written in the Constitution.
Not even a close comparison. Nader barely registered in the national polls. Nader wasn't offering much different than what the two major parties offered.He just offered a variation on bigger government. Ross Perot was the same thing, he promised to manage big government more efficiently. Ron Paul offers something completely different in post 19th century American politics. CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT and governing by those principles written in the Constitution.
What Paul proposes has little to do with what is possible if he is elected. He can propose all he wants... who will pass that legislation??? Democrats??? Republicans??? so far, no one.
Paul is irrelevant in the political process other than a draw away from other GOP candidates... A vote for Paul is a vote for Obama. (Thanks Ron Paul)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What Paul proposes has little to do with what is possible if he is elected. He can propose all he wants... who will pass that legislation??? Democrats??? Republicans??? so far, no one.
He can do many things, for 1 he can bring back the troops and eliminate foreign aid. He can veto and sunset many unconstitutional bills which may come his way or are already enacted. He can also eliminate strict regulations that were put on our businesses in hopes that will create job growth and investment here at home.
Paul is irrelevant in the political process other than a draw away from other GOP candidates... A vote for Paul is a vote for Obama. (Thanks Ron Paul)
A vote for Paul is a vote to restore our Republic, it is a vote to bring back a government which adheres to the Constitution. (Thanks Ron Paul)
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
.. who will pass that legislation??? Democrats??? Republicans??? so far, no one.
That is the appeal to Paul....By reducing the power of the executive branch, we don't have to worry about being attacked by a drone if you are a returning war vet, belonging to a gun club and have a don't tread on me bumper sticker on your truck by a rouge totalitarian executive.
All the regulatory agency inside the executive branch would be ABOLISHED!! He would veto any unconstitutional piece of legislation, and the congress would have to run against a presidents platform that actually believes in states rights and limited federal government. Not passing legislation and vetoing legislation is what Americans YERN FOR. There are ENOUGH LAWS on the books. Not to mention ALL the unwritten laws we must abide by with these regulatory agencies.
The pendulum is already swinging, it will get ugly shortly.
He can do many things, for 1 he can bring back the troops and eliminate foreign aid. He can veto and sunset many unconstitutional bills which may come his way or are already enacted. He can also eliminate strict regulations that were put on our businesses in hopes that will create job growth and investment here at home.
VETO: A presidential veto is the rejection of a bill passed by the majority votes of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Congress can vote to override a presidential veto, causing the bill to become law without the president's approval... Once again... Paul can propose all he wants, with out support from Democrats or Republicans... President Paul would be irrelevant.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
VETO: A presidential veto is the rejection of a bill passed by the majority votes of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Congress can vote to override a presidential veto, causing the bill to become law without the president's approval... Once again... Paul can propose all he wants, with out support from Democrats or Republicans... President Paul would be irrelevant.
That would require a 2/3 vote to override. I find it hard to think of a scenario where Paul wins the presidency, yet congress would have the support of the people to obtain a 2/3 majority to override the agenda Paul was just elected to office on.
That would require a 2/3 vote to override. I find it hard to think of a scenario where Paul wins the presidency, yet congress would have the support of the people to obtain a 2/3 majority to override the agenda Paul was just elected to office on.
The present Republican congress ignores the will of the people who elected Barack Obama... why would they suddenly support Ron Paul when their agenda is often opposite of the GOP.
As you have often posted... congress has the power to declare war... weather Ron Paul agrees or not.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What Paul proposes has little to do with what is possible if he is elected. He can propose all he wants... who will pass that legislation??? Democrats??? Republicans??? so far, no one.
That's what you don't get. There doesn't need to be more legislation. There's already too much UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation. Some of it just needs to be put into mothballs, just like many of the bureaucracies and those who work for them. We could turn around the economy of the entire United States by reducing the cost of government by trillions of dollars per year.
Paul is irrelevant in the political process other than a draw away from other GOP candidates... A vote for Paul is a vote for Obama. (Thanks Ron Paul)
Maybe in other years with so many people asleep, but thanks to those in office now and over the past decade, many have woke up and are ready for bringing some real hope and change to Washington. (And on a side note, I think that Washington himself would be turning in his grave knowing that people go to a city named after hin to rip apart the federal government that he originally helped to set up and set limits on. He would be wondering why there hasn't been another revolution yet.)
That's what you don't get. There doesn't need to be more legislation. There's already too much UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation. Some of it just needs to be put into mothballs, just like many of the bureaucracies and those who work for them. We could turn around the economy of the entire United States by reducing the cost of government by trillions of dollars per year. Maybe in other years with so many people asleep, but thanks to those in office now and over the past decade, many have woke up and are ready for bringing some real hope and change to Washington. (And on a side note, I think that Washington himself would be turning in his grave knowing that people go to a city named after hin to rip apart the federal government that he originally helped to set up and set limits on. He would be wondering why there hasn't been another revolution yet.)
And I will post it again, since you don't seem to get it... What will Ron Paul do if the US Congress and Senate vote to enlarge government... Pass hundreds of new laws. How will Ron Paul do anything about that. Congress can pass laws, and they can override Paul's veto. Paul as President is powerless with out willing Democrats and Republicans to follow his plan. So far, none have.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"The government should protect the right to do to our body what we want"... (unless it's an abortion, then Ron Paul demands that the US Government controls our body.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And I will post it again, since you don't seem to get it... What will Ron Paul do if the US Congress and Senate vote to enlarge government... Pass hundreds of new laws. How will Ron Paul do anything about that. Congress can pass laws, and they can override Paul's veto. Paul as President is powerless with out willing Democrats and Republicans to follow his plan. So far, none have.
You seem to not get it...If Ron Paul wins, the country would have fundamentally changed it's 100 year governing philosophy.
Unlike the politicians we are used to, Ron Paul doesn't change his message to fit a certain audience. Ron Paul doesn't depend on promises made to an individual voting blocs to maintain support. Ron Paul's message is the same in front of a gay audience, as it is a Hispanic audience, as it is a Jewish audience. If Ron Paul wins, it's not because he promised a certain voting bloc one thing, then another voting bloc another thing. He doesn't pander.
The Ron Paul movement began in 2010 when the Democrats and RINO's were trounced in the House and nearly lost the Senate. Congress is moving in the opposite direction you are suggesting. Your hypothetical is a highly likely premise if Ron Paul were elected President.
The present Republican congress ignores the will of the people who elected Barack Obama... why would they suddenly support Ron Paul when their agenda is often opposite of the GOP.
That didn't happen suddenly. That was after America recognized they elected a naked totalitarian statist for president and quickly tried to correct it through congress. If at the midterm of a Paul Presidency, Congress switches, and left wing naked marxist win majority in Congress, then the Paul movement would be over and the tide would be turning the other direction. But that's not the current political climate. It's just the opposite.
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