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Paul Krugman is a moron.  He is an establishment economist that benefits from Keynesian economics.  His whole body of work depends on convincing Americans to continue to have faith in the economic philosophy that will ultimately bankrupt America.  Krugman knows gold backed currency chokes off big government life blood of fiat currency.  Big centrally planned Governments are failing across the western world. Idiots like Krugman are doing all they can to maintain  the perception that large centrally plan government works.


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Where will Ron Paul be as US President if the Republicans and Democrats (that he supposedly is not part of) just decide to
ignore him... much the way today's Republican Congress is ignoring Jobs in the USA today?

With out the support of the majority of Democrats or his Republican Party... Paul is, much like Jimmy Carter, an outcast
at the top.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Great Depression, here we come.


We are already in it. The bankers, the state and state conrolled media are managing the hysteria by not using the word depression.  


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Thanks for the quick responses guys, looks like I will be sitting home come primary day.
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LMAO!  NO FEAR?  The Republicans led us into this mess, then refused to help solve the problems of their disaster...
but somehow if Paul is elected president (and pigs can fly) the entire congress will work as one to support the Paul
agenda.  (science fiction)


the science fiction is the cyborg building that the government has turned the plebs into.....the system keeps removing parts of the 'grey matter real estate' only to replace it with
commune-cyborg parts.....

the mess that has happened is because a generation laid those rails and the train is just following them to the end.....it has NOTHING to do with party....

below is from Barney Frank:

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Well, I guess I really have
tried to say these things all along, but I would make this point:
criticisms of the Congress are often legitimate but incomplete, because
they act as if there was some autonomous entity here called the Congress
into which people somehow parachuted and were inflicting these terrible
pains on the rest of the country.

The fact is -- as your former boss, my great idol, Tip O`Neill, used
to say -- nobody serves in the House of Representatives who didn`t win an
election. There`s no appointment. There`s no way you get to the House of
Representatives unless you won an election. Everybody is there because he
or she got more votes than anybody else in the last election.

In other words, as the public is critical of Congress, they got to
include some self-criticism because they are the reason we are here.

.
You know, if you moved into a hotel and -- and the guy banged up your
car when he parked it and the bellhop lost your luggage and the clerk
couldn`t find your reservation, and the laundry wasn`t done when you got to
the room, you wouldn`t say, my, what a strange collection of incompetent
people. You`d say who is running this place? Who hired these people?

Well, in the Congress the "who" who hired these people is the
electorate. And let me extend that to some people that I agree with on
some of the substance, the occupy people. I am sure that there are people
who didn`t vote in the last congressional elections, and I am not happy
when people who didn`t vote blame me for the consequences of people winning
elections because they didn`t vote.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Thanks for the quick responses guys, looks like I will be sitting home come primary day.


we cant cast your vote for you


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Watched the debate and how RP was asked the same question over and over when they allready know his answer lol.

didn't watch the Hannity "interview" after but know alot of people are upset about it.

I just got my new voter card in the mail showing I am now Republican.

There is a capital district RP group if anyone wants info.

Some heading to NH in a few days.

Trying to get RP to come to Albany : )
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a great depression as compared to what? government subsidies and loss of personal fight/gumption/choice etc....????

the great depression sucks for those used to service....everyone else already lives like that......

no fear in America when one is able to pull up their own boot straps.....no fear


I absolutely agree!! Except it wouldn't be like any recession or depression seen in this country's history. It would be a liquidation and restructuring backed by the constitution and it clearly would not be done overnight. Over time, the financial institution would be brought back to basics, defense would be strong, folks would have their freedoms and liberties, the government would shrink and the americans would gain more wealth....AND the free market would dictate the 'true' economy!

And with the americans behind Paul, congress would be insane to buck his proposals....it would be political suicide for all of them.

Paul loves america and the american people! He loves what this country was and could be again! And he has a very stong and loyal following. If paul doesn't get the nomination....obama will be a 2nd term president cause the other candidates are empty suits and skirts...imho. They are the same old same old!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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The whole time Rush didn't make one solid argument against Paul, instead he just used funny voices in hopes people won't question him. He said some experts says Iran is 1 year away from a nuke, are these the same experts who said the same thing in 2003 and then every year on to today


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Thanks for the quick responses guys, looks like I will be sitting home come primary day.


ABR, I understand that you have decided that you could be sitting home for primary day, but at the same time, you could always be working on things that could still make a difference.  Just because you can't vote on something doesn't mean you can't take a role.  Make sure you're talking up the candidate that you think would be the best.  Also, if this is where the candidates are coming from that you really truly believe in, then maybe it is time for a change in your registration to make sure that you don't find yourself in the same situation next time around.


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1. Is there anyone on this board who actually thinks that Ron Paul has a chance at being nominated by the GOP?
  Not... "IS IT POSSIBLE," but an actual shot at being nominated as the Republican Presidential Candidate?
2.  If not... Is there anyone on this board who actually thinks that Ron Paul will win a 3rd party victory to be the US President?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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I honestly don't care if he wins the primary or as a third party candidate.  Ron Paul has changed the national debate.  We are now actually debating OPPOSING IDEAS, and not just a variation of big government ideas. Ron Paul planted the seed in the generation of 18-35 year olds.  I think Ron Paul is very aware that he has little chance of changing enough baby boomer(largest generation/voting bloc) big government FDR indoctrinated minds for him to win a national election.  But...As the boomer generation begins dying off, and the young generation begins to wrestle the power away from the statist big government philosophy of the boomer generation, that is when the seeds of Ron Paul will begin to blossom.  

Every presidential election since I was old enough to vote was framed as 'the most important election in our lifetime'.  Which now looking back, I know that it not to be true.  Each new administration has most of the prior administrations bureaucrats working in the new administration.  in this case, I believe the Paul movement will slowly begin to come to power, and it will most likely happen through Congressional election, not the Presidential election.

But, I will not count Paul out this year.  Americans are DISGUSTED with ALL LEVELS of government and both major parties.  The more Ron Paul's arguments are heard, the more minds he will begin to change, the more people that were never involved in politics will now get involved.

RON PAUL WINS EVEN IF HE LOSES...IT IS JUST A BELATED VICTORY.


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I honestly don't care if he wins the primary or as a third party candidate.  Ron Paul has changed the national debate.  We are now actually debating OPPOSING IDEAS, and not just a variation of big government ideas. Ron Paul planted the seed in the generation of 18-35 year olds.  I think Ron Paul is very aware that he has little chance of changing enough baby boomer(largest generation/voting bloc) big government FDR indoctrinated minds for him to win a national election.  But...As the boomer generation begins dying off, and the young generation begins to wrestle the power away from the statist big government philosophy of the boomer generation, that is when the seeds of Ron Paul will begin to blossom.  

Every presidential election since I was old enough to vote was framed as 'the most important election in our lifetime'.  Which now looking back, I know that it not to be true.  Each new administration has most of the prior administrations bureaucrats working in the new administration.  in this case, I believe the Paul movement will slowly begin to come to power, and it will most likely happen through Congressional election, no the Presidential election.

But, I will not count Paul out this year.  Americans are DISGUSTED with ALL LEVELS of government and both major parties.  The more Ron Paul's arguments are heard, the more minds he will begin to change, the more people that were never involved in politics will now get involved.

RON PAUL WINS EVEN IF HE LOSES...IT IS JUST A BELATED VICTORY.


A very long explanation of why Cicero thinks Ron Paul Doesn't have a chance.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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A very long explanation of why Cicero thinks Ron Paul Doesn't have a chance.



A very short example of Box's incomprehension.


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