So to finally answer Cicero's frantic question... ~ "Why is tuition cost up 71% in 10 years? " ~ My answer is, of course, they haven't. (How many of you fell for Cicero's little scam?)
My guess to why 2 YEAR COMMUNITY COLLEGES have increased in tuition is that they always were IMO under priced.
That's priceless!!!LOL
UNDER PRICED!!!
That is rich box...Under priced...Imagine if Exxon Mobil said the reason gas prices went up 71% was because they were under priced? I'm glad you qualified your "under priced" answer with an IMO.
Hey, at least you answered it...Even though your answer was ridiculous. I like the part of your post that disputes the 71% increase like it was a number I came up with. Your argument is with the NYT.
I'm surprised you didn't claim that education costs would have went up 140% if it wasn't for the department of education. Statist like using the "it would have been worse" argument if it wasn't for state intervention.
That is rich box...Under priced...Imagine if Exxon Mobil said the reason gas prices went up 71% was because they were under priced? I'm glad you qualified your "under priced" answer with an IMO.
Hey, at least you answered it...Even though your answer was ridiculous. I like the part of your post that disputes the 71% increase like it was a number I came up with. Your argument is with the NYT.
I'm surprised you didn't claim that education costs would have went up 140% if it wasn't for the department of education. Statist like using the "it would have been worse" argument if it wasn't for state intervention.
I kind of thought Cicero might MAN UP and apologize for his little SCAM... but I guess not. Says a lot!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
President Obama addresses Republican (and Ron Paul) plans for the future:
"Their philosophy is simple... we are better off when everybody is left to fend for themselves, and play by their own rules. I am here to say, they are wrong"!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I guess Obama and Box forgot the housing bubble was created by the government pushing banks to lend out easy credit When will they learn the market will always win over government interference, all the government is doing is propping up a overvalued asset which will eventually burst again crushing what investments people thought they had. These people should be ashamed for lying to the American people.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Iowa: Gingrich 33%, Romney 20%, Paul 17%, Perry 9%, Bachmann 7%, Santorum 5%, Huntsman 1%.
New Hampshire: Romney 35%, Gingrich 26%, Paul 17%, Huntsman 8%.
South Carolina: Gingrich 43%, Romney 20%, Perry 8%, Bachmann 6%, Paul 6%, Santorum 4%, Huntsman 1%.
Florida: Gingrich 48%, Romney 25%, Paul 5%.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I kind of thought Cicero might MAN UP and apologize for his little SCAM... but I guess not. Says a lot!
Let me show you the education SCAM!
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Why Is College So Expensive?
Many of the protesters occupying Wall Street and other places say they are upset about the rising price of going to college. Tuition and other costs have been going up faster than inflation, and family incomes can't keep up. Despite public outrage about the problem, there's little sign these costs will drop anytime soon.
If you are a veteran of a public university, the jump in tuition at your alma mater might be downright jaw-dropping. Tuition at the University of California, Berkeley, was about $700 a year back in the 1970s. Today, U.C. Berkeley students have to fork over around $15,000 per year. That's a 2,000 percent increase.
Berkeley's tuition increase is unusually large, but most public schools, which educate 80 percent of all college students, have seen dramatic increases. Private schools don't rely on state subsidies, and their prices have gone up more slowly in recent years. But they are still rising faster than inflation
You will see, that during the worst recession since the great depression(Obama's words) Colleges and Universities in 2010-2011, were able to raise their tution 6% & 7%. How is this possible? They must have been "under priced" in 2009-2010.
No, the SCAM that I was referring to was your portrayal of all colleges tuition going up 71%, when the reality is that those figures only apply to 2 year schools.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No, the SCAM that I was referring to was your portrayal of all colleges tuition going up 71%, when the reality is that those figures only apply to 2 year schools.
Oh yes, you exposed me. Ok, I'll give you the technicality that I didn't specify 2 year schools which were apparently under priced. So, how about the 6% and 7% increase in the year 2010-2011? I don't know about you, but all I've been hearing is the economy has been contracting. If the economy is contracting and there is now growth, how do universities justify tuition increases? We have a federal department of education and tuition is going UP! And tuition is rising FASTER and higher in public universities than private.
Oh yes, you exposed me. Ok, I'll give you the technicality that I didn't specify 2 year schools which were apparently under priced. So, how about the 6% and 7% increase in the year 2010-2011? I don't know about you, but all I've been hearing is the economy has been contracting. If the economy is contracting and there is now growth, how do universities justify tuition increases? We have a federal department of education and tuition is going UP! And tuition is rising FASTER and higher in public universities than private.
Is this proof of DOE success?
CiC tries sooo hard. He's an argument looking for a place to happen.
You presented these facts... not I. You argue these (alleged) facts... not I. You seem bent on arguing a point, but have no opposition, so you pretty much argue with yourself.
The Price of gasoline has been falling since the summer... Does that mean that the Dept of Energy is a SUCCESS???
Health care, Food, Entertainment, Transportation, all rise and fall for various reasons. I would assume, so does the cost of college tuition.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No Child Left Behind originated in the administration of George Worst Bush, not The Dept of Education. The Dept of Education was stuck implementing Bush's plan. The first immediate result of eliminating the Dept of Education??? Middle Class and Poor kids who would have gone to college, now won't. Way to go Ron! The Rich however will go to the newly uncrowded colleges.
I keep hearing that the RON PAUL dollars that used to be spent in Washington will now be spent by the states... If Ron Paul won the election and in January Paul takes over and eliminates the Dept of Ed... do you seriously think that New Yorkers would support a huge STATE TAX INCREASE to fund higher education??? Not Likely. I am quite sure that most of this board would oppose the state tax for education. Ron Paul would save the tax payers dollars, and American kids would fall farther behind the rest of the world in higher education... (all except for the RICH of course... Since colleges would be almost empty, an average Rich kid would finish first in his class.)
that was so he didn't have to deal with the monkey called PublicEducationUnions.......
remove it....it was a STUPID podium puck from the get-go.....
we are over leveraged at the expense of those that taught us to EXPECT SERVICE......falling behind because our system is set up to train the brain for a GE piece work line and social workers who are the cushion for someone who doesn't want to make an effort.....
no child left behind was stupid for FIXING the problem BUT it got the conversation going.....just like the conversation about organic crap.....IT'S ORGANIC IF YOU GROW IT YOURSELF and stop expecting service.....
would american's starve/remain stupid, if the system was revamped?
A GREAT LEADER WOULD KEEP AMERICAN SPIRIT and the answer would be NO!!!!!!!
is America only about fluffing our neighbors pillow and removing their gumption to exist and make effort via 'The Robinhood' government? Do you need sugar/flour etc? I have a cup for you...
that's GRASSROOTS AND MORE SOLID THAN BEING SPRINKLED WITH THE URINE FROM ABOVE......
jmho
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
CiC tries sooo hard. He's an argument looking for a place to happen.
You presented these facts... not I. You argue these (alleged) facts... not I. You seem bent on arguing a point, but have no opposition, so you pretty much argue with yourself.
Box, I love when you do this...You claim there is no argument after I produce statistics and evidence that dismantle your original argument, pointing out the fact that tuition has SKYROCKETED twice the rate of inflation with the Department of Education subsidizing. Here, I'll post your argument that I provided evidence disproving your premise or "reality".
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Your assumption... "Without federal money, the cost of education would DECREASE, since the colleges would have to readjust their cost to reflect a real market economy." "READJUST THEIR COST? The physical cost of running the school... utilities, maintenance, supplies won't change. "READJUST THEIR COST? The reality... ~ Teachers and professors out of work as many colleges close due to lack of enrollment. ~ With no Federal funding, kids who's income was borderline, will now not go to college. ~The remaining colleges will fight to recruit a very small group of students. The Rich Kids.
Who loses? Poor and lower middle class kids Who gains? Rich Kids... THE PLAN IS A SUCCESS!
Ron Paul Wins GOP Twitter Primary, Pew Study Shows
Posted: 12/ 8/11 12:09 AM ET
NEW YORK -- Ron Paul's never garnered as much media attention as other Republican presidential candidates, even after placing second in the Ames Straw Poll and remaining at the top of the pack in Iowa. And when Paul's name does come up on cable news chats, it's often in the context of being unelectable or a fringe candidate....................>>>>......................>>>>................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/08/ron-paul-gop-twitter_n_1135001.html
Box, I love when you do this...You claim there is no argument after I produce statistics and evidence that dismantle your original argument, pointing out the fact that tuition has SKYROCKETED twice the rate of inflation with the Department of Education subsidizing. Here, I'll post your argument that I provided evidence disproving your premise or "reality".
Cicero's premise: The Dept of Education is a failure because they subsidize the cost of education, yet the price is skyrocketing. THEN: The Dept of Energy is a success because they subsidize the price of oil, yet the price is falling.
OR, as I posted earlier... the cost of education, energy, housing, food, health care, etc rise and fall for various reasons... sometimes because of govt action, sometimes in spite of govt action... and sometimes irrelevant to govt action.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Quoted Text Ron Paul Wins GOP Twitter Primary, Pew Study Shows NEW YORK -- Ron Paul's never garnered as much media attention as other Republican presidential candidates, even after placing second in the Ames Straw Poll and remaining at the top of the pack in Iowa. And when Paul's name does come up on cable news chats, it's often in the context of being unelectable or a fringe candidate
If you follow the link, you'll find that this study measured the positive or negative message in the number of Twitter messages for a candidate. ~"Pew's Project for Excellence for Journalism, in a new study analyzing more than 20 million election-related tweets from May through November, found that Paul "fared far better" than any other Republican candidate. Paul was referred to positively in 55 percent of the 1.1 million assessments about him on Twitter studied during this period. Only 15 percent of those assessments were negative, and 30 percent were neutral"~
The data measures Tweets without regard to their source. Although the study COULD be indicative of interest in a particular candidate, the results could also be manipulated by a dedicated staff or an organized campaign.
To change the result of this study, you'd only need to find a thousand supporters, and have then each send 100 positive Tweets a day for your candidate for a week. If a thousand Ron Paul supporters just Tweeted "I LIKE RON PAUL" one hundred times a day for a week, Ron Paul would have an extra 700,000 Tweets... much more than half of all the Tweets measured in the study.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
To change the result of this study, you'd only need to find a thousand supporters, and have then each send 100 positive Tweets a day for your candidate for a week. If a thousand Ron Paul supporters just Tweeted "I LIKE RON PAUL" one hundred times a day for a week, Ron Paul would have an extra 700,000 Tweets... much more than half of all the Tweets measured in the study.
Yes, that's what Paul supporters were doing...They were making positive tweets for 6 months because they knew a study was being conducted by Pew and was going to be published. It was all orchistrated to maniupulate the outcome so he could recieve positive press.
Box, you seem to be fighting a bout of Paul Derrangement Syndrome
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