So you are saying that a $50/$100/$200 bolt on the crane , the crane that I assume hoists the product the said company is either transporting or manufacturing, wasn't replaced because of greed? A company purposely risks a crane failure which not only could hurt or kill the operator, but would also hurt the greedy businessman's product that it profits off of? Thank goodness OSHA writes safety violations, because obviously this company you speak of didn't fix a crane, and was not only willing to risk the life of the operator but also risk the product being hoisted.
Thank God for the almighty OSHA. Without them, I don't know what people would do. Has anybody reading this ever talked to an OSHA agent? They couldn't run a hot dog stand.
One example:
DENVER – The U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration has cited Evraz Rocky Mountain Steel in Pueblo alleging one repeat, five serious and two other-than-serious violations following a safety inspection of the company's seamless tube mill. Proposed fines total $49,900.
The repeat violation involves employee exposure to amputation hazards from rotating machine parts. A repeat citation is issued when an employer previously has been cited for the same or a similar violation of a standard, regulation, rule or order at any other facilities in federal enforcement states within the last five years. Evraz was cited for a similar hazard in July 2009.
The serious violations involve failing to properly implement a lockout/tagout program for energy sources, provide adequate guarding of belts and pulleys, provide proper storage of flammable materials and protect workers from exposure to electrical hazards. An OSHA violation is serious if death or serious physical harm can result from a hazard an employer knew or should have known exists.
****************** If Cicero has ever worked as a machine repairman, electrician, plumber etc, he'd know how serious it is when "lock out/tag out" safety procedures are ignored.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Getting away from Cicero's lack of understanding about Worker Safety issues, and back to rpforpres, question...
Ron Paul's plan to eliminate the dept of Education, Interior, Energy, HUD, Commerce, would destroy much of what Americans hold dear... our heritage, our environment, worker safety, education both at elementary, secondary and college level, and our energy strategy for the future. No matter where you stand on these issues, Ron Paul doesn't even offer a solution to any of his cuts... he will just cut the programs and let them die. Corporate America will step up and grab for all that no longer belongs to Americans... it will now belong to the Stock Holders.
Paul's video speaks to the believers... his groupies, who buy Paul's brand of Isolationism, and Corporate Power. If Paul were ever to get the nomination, this ad will be a powerful tool for his opponents.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I posted on this very subject earlier... that Ronny Paul's Department Destruction won't save taxpayers money, it will it will shift the cost to state taxpayers.
Yes, and it will shift the costs in proper proportion, and that is if the states citizens WANT an OSHA. A state that doesn't have a lot of mining shouldn't have to pay for regulations and oversight in a state that does have mining. Just like the citizens in Kansas shouldn't insure houses built on the Outer Banks North Carolina, and then pay to rebuild them after a hurricane with FEMA money.
Box, face it, you don't believe in states’ rights or individual rights. You are a collectivist. Ron Paul SCARES you because he expects you to be responsible for your actions. It probably creates anxiety in you to think about not being told how to behave, and thinking that every business you walk into, that you might die because a government agent isn't threatening them at all times. You’re not alone box, many people fear their own freedom and personal responsibility. People like you go through life thinking that without the threats of government force, humanity, which is filled with blood thirsty monsters, are hiding behind every corner looking to harm and kill for their personal gain. Life has to be a white knuckle ride for you.
If Cicero has ever worked as a machine repairman, electrician, plumber etc, he'd know how serious it is when "lock out/tag out" safety procedures are ignored.
If you ever drove a car, you would know how important it is to press the brake when stoping at a red light. Luckliy there is a law telling me I have to stop at red lights. If I thought I wouldn't get a traffic ticket, I wouldn't know what to do.
Box, if OSHA was established in 1971, can you tell me why the death rate fell by over 50% between 1913 and 1947? How did that happen without OSHA?
Jezzzzzzzzz Cicero... Try to keep up. I posted this way back on post #1000 but I guess your reading comprehension is lacking.
(WOW! This crosses board threads, but I bet that Cicero is a Fox News Viewer... Studies show that they are very uninformed)
History of Mine Safety and Health Legislation
In 1891, Congress passed the first federal statute governing mine safety, marking the beginning of what was to be an extended evolution of increasingly comprehensive federal legislation regulating mining activities. The 1891 law was relatively modest legislation that applied only to mines in U.S. territories, and, among other things, established minimum ventilation requirements at underground coal mines and prohibited operators from employing children under 12 years of age. In 1910, following a decade in which the number of coal mine fatalities exceeded 2,000 annually, Congress established the Bureau of Mines as a new agency in the Department of the Interior. The Bureau was charged with the responsibility to conduct research and to reduce accidents in the coal mining industry, but was given no inspection authority until 1941, when Congress empowered federal inspectors to enter mines. In 1947, Congress authorized the formulation of the first code of federal regulations for mine safety.
The Federal Coal Mine Safety Act of 1952 provided for annual inspections in certain underground coal mines, and gave the Bureau limited enforcement authority, including power to issue violation notices and imminent danger withdrawal orders. The 1952 Act also authorized the assessment of civil penalties against mine operators for noncompliance with withdrawal orders or for refusing to give inspectors access to mine property, although no provision was made for monetary penalties for noncompliance with the safety provisions. In 1966, Congress extended coverage of the 1952 Coal Act to all underground coal mines.
The first federal statute directly regulating non-coal mines did not appear until the passage of the Federal Metal and Nonmetallic Mine Safety Act of 1966. The 1966 Act provided for the promulgation of standards, many of which were advisory, and for inspections and investigations; however, its enforcement authority was minimal. The Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act of 1969, generally referred to as the Coal Act, was more comprehensive and more stringent than any previous Federal legislation governing the mining industry. The Coal Act included surface as well as underground coal mines within its scope, required two annual inspections of every surface coal mine and four at every underground coal mine, and dramatically increased federal enforcement powers in coal mines. The Coal Act also required monetary penalties for all violations, and established criminal penalties for knowing and willful violations. The safety standards for all coal mines were strengthened, and health standards were adopted. The Coal Act included specific procedures for the development of improved mandatory health and safety standards, and provided compensation for miners who were totally and permanently disabled by the progressive respiratory disease caused by the inhalation of fine coal dust pneumoconiosis or "black lung".
In 1973, the Secretary of the Interior, through administrative action, created the Mining Enforcement and Safety Administration (MESA) as a new departmental agency separate from the Bureau of Mines. MESA assumed the safety and health enforcement functions formerly carried out by the Bureau to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest between the enforcement of mine safety and health standards and the Bureau's responsibilities for mineral resource development.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If Cicero has ever worked as a machine repairman, electrician, plumber etc, he'd know how serious it is when "lock out/tag out" safety procedures are ignored.
If you ever drove a car, you would know how important it is to press the brake when stoping at a red light. Luckliy there is a law telling me I have to stop at red lights. If I thought I wouldn't get a traffic ticket, I wouldn't know what to do.
You seem to be against worker safety. I wonder why? If you knew anything about Lock out/Tag out, you'd know how important they are. When an repairman is working on a machine, he "locks out" the machine at the electrical source with a lock. That lock keeps anyone else from starting the machine while he is still repairing it.
Lockout/Tag out has probably saved hundreds of lives and thousands of limbs... but you treat it like it's a joke. It's a simple procedure, and costs almost nothing, but you fight it. I guess it's not YOUR fingers or Your toes or Your life that's at risk... so why do you care? Pathetic!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If you ever drove a car, you would know how important it is to press the brake when stoping at a red light. Luckliy there is a law telling me I have to stop at red lights. If I thought I wouldn't get a traffic ticket, I wouldn't know what to do.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You seem to be against worker safety. I wonder why? If you knew anything about Lock out/Tag out, you'd know how important they are. When an repairman is working on a machine, he "locks out" the machine at the electrical source with a lock. That lock keeps anyone else from starting the machine while he is still repairing it.
Yeah you're right, common sense and experience plays no part in job safety, only the government can protect us from the dangers of ourselves
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You seem to be against worker safety. I wonder why? If you knew anything about Lock out/Tag out, you'd know how important they are. When an repairman is working on a machine, he "locks out" the machine at the electrical source with a lock. That lock keeps anyone else from starting the machine while he is still repairing it.
Lockout/Tag out has probably saved hundreds of lives and thousands of limbs... but you treat it like it's a joke. It's a simple procedure, and costs almost nothing, but you fight it. I guess it's not YOUR fingers or Your toes or Your life that's at risk... so why do you care? Pathetic!
You seem to think that "workers" are stupid by birth right. You think that electricians need to be told by big brother government to turn off the power before working on equipment because they are too stupid to figure it out themselves. You think LOTO is some ingenious program that could have only been thought up by bureaucrats to "save" the dumb workers lives. And again, implying that the "evil business" purposely developes their business model around the most dangerous and cheapest way possible. They hate human beings and would rather kill a worker than protect their investment. Your fear of people has to be debilitating.
You seem to think that "workers" are stupid by birth right. You think that electricians need to be told by big brother government to turn off the power before working on equipment because they are too stupid to figure it out themselves. You think LOTO is some ingenious program that could have only been thought up by bureaucrats to "save" the dumb workers lives. And again, implying that the "evil business" purposely developes their business model around the most dangerous and cheapest way possible. They hate human beings and would rather kill a worker than protect their investment. Your fear of people has to be debilitating.
This is pointless...
Cicero if you were an electrician (heaven forbid) repairing a machine, and you had shut off the power, but not locked it out, what would prevent another repairman who didn't know you were there, from turning on the power? Each repairman locks out the machine so that all locks have to be removed before the machine can be started. Cic, you seem to have no knowledge of the procedure or how dangerous it is. You should read up on it before you continue making a fool of yourself.
Approximately 3 million workers service equipment and face the greatest risk of injury if lockout/tagout is not properly implemented. Compliance with the lockout/tagout standard prevents an estimated 120 fatalities and 50,000 injuries each year. Workers injured on the job from exposure to hazardous energy lose an average of 24 workdays for recuperation. In a study conducted by the United Auto Workers (UAW), 20% of the fatalities (83 of 414) that occurred among their members between 1973 and 1995 were attributed to inadequate hazardous energy control procedures specifically, lockout/tagout procedures.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero if you were an electrician (heaven forbid) repairing a machine, and you had shut off the power, but not locked it out, what would prevent another repairman who didn't know you were there, from turning on the power?
I would. Locking out a power source isn't some new government invention. These procedures were put in place by private companies LONG before government.
Do you really need a the threat of government to take safety precautions? Do you put fire and carbon monoxide alarms in your house? Who mandated you to if you do?
Box, hypothetically, if you owned a company, would you need the threats of government to put in place safety procedures to keep your employees safe? If you were an electrician, would you be smart enough to figure out a way to secure the power source with a lock and a tag so somebody else doesn't turn it on? Or are you moral and smart one, and everybody else is immoral and stupid, so you need the government to force everybody else to to act as morally as you and be as smart as you? Because you just can't trust people to do thing the "right way", like you would do it.
That commercial for me and many Americans is an anti-Paul piece. It gives me reasons NOT to vote for Paul instead of reasons TO vote for him.
Eliminate the dept of Education, Interior, Energy, HUD, Commerce... So RPforPres... this ad is for:
~Eliminating Federal Student Loan programs...SO THE BANKS CAN STILL OWN THE GOVERNMENT ~Eliminating Federal Pell Grants......SO THE FEDERAL RESERVE CAN STILL WIELD IT'S STICK ~Eliminating Federal standards for Special Education and Rehabilitative Service......SO THE TEACHERS UNIONS CAN STILL HAVE YOU OVER A BARREL ~Eliminating Federal programs to insure Safe and Drug Free Schools.......SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE TO ACT ON IT'S OWN RATIONAL THINKING/INSTINCTS/PAY ATTENTION ~Eliminating Federal programs and standards for Remedial education.......SO MOM/DAD CAN WORK 80 HOURS A WEEK TO PAY THAT UNION SYSTEM(told they are too dumb to do it themselves)~Eliminating Federal programs that insure education meets at least a minimum standard in every state......SO THOSE FOLKS IN THE STATE REALLY DONT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT(how many at the board meetings?)You know, programs that help PEOPLE, not CORPORATIONS. (Note, Ron Paul isn't going after waste in the dept, or reforming the dept, he would eliminate it)
The U.S. Department of the Interior protects America’s natural resources and heritage, and supplies the energy to power our future. ~With out the Dept of Interior, the entire USA is open to Commercial Development... Federal Lands, you know, like Yellowstone, Carlsbad Caverns, Arcadia, Death Valley, The Everglades, the Grand Canyon, The Great Smokey Mts, Sequoia, Yosemite and countless more of OUR HERITAGE and OUR HISTORY... These Federal lands will be open for development, for commercial exploitation... UP FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. Again Ron Paul will eliminate programs and resources that are for PEOPLE and give then to CORPORATIONS.
~Eliminate the Bureau of Mines... The Bureau of Mines insures mine safety (Sets minimum standards for miners safety).....GET A UNION(that's what they did/do)Paul will eliminate any Federal program for PEOPLE who work in mines in favor of CORPORATIONS who own the mines......DONT WORK THERE...rpforpres... how would you feel if your son, daughter, husband, wife, brother, sister, father, mother... went into a mine every day to make a living and their safety depended on some safety officer who works for the mine owner? (Note, Ron Paul isn't going after waste in the dept, or reforming the dept, he would eliminate it)
The Dept of Energy: The mission of the Energy Department is to ensure America’s security and prosperity by addressing its energy, environmental and nuclear challenges through transformative science and technology solutions. Just one aspect of the dept of energy... ~ Insuring the integrity and safety of the country's nuclear weapons ~Promoting international nuclear safety ~Advancing nuclear non-proliferation ~Continuing to provide safe, efficient and effective nuclear power plants for the United States Navy. Yea, Paul would turn this over to the states or the Power Plant Owners... Who would benefit from eliminating the Dept of Energy? CORPORATIONS. Who would lose? PEOPLE.....according to your constitutional based laws,,,corporations have 'peoplehood'..... HUD HUD helps People. Senior citizen housing, first time buyers, HUD protects against rental discrimination of families with children, minorities or people with disabilities, and much more......THAT WORKED IN SCHENECTADY (Note, Ron Paul isn't going after waste in the dept, or reforming the dept, he would eliminate it)
The dept of commerce... Eliminating the Dept of Commerce would hurt PEOPLE and help CORPORATIONS ~Paul would eliminate U.S. Census Bureau. Since the Census is required every 10 years by law, this program would still be required (no dollars saved here). I'm sure some CORPORATION could be found to run this program... For A Price. ~Paul would eliminate NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). Your weather forecasts. There are commercial CORPORATIONS that would take it's place... FOR A PRICE. Your weather (Hurricane forecasts, storm forecasts, tornado warnings) would now be put up for bid and a fee charged for that service. YOU'D PAY FOR YOUR WEATHER FORECAST......WE DO NOW/CABLE AND PRODUCT COST VIA ADVERTISING (Note, Ron Paul isn't going after waste in the dept, or reforming the dept, he would eliminate it)
rpforpres... I've only touched on a very few examples of PEOPLE programs that would be eliminated in favor of CORPORATIONS. The repercussions of eliminating these 5 departments has not even been studied. Much of the services provided would not be eliminated, but shifted to the states... and each state would have a director, a budget, a fund, a tax requirement... ....AND THAT IS WHY THE PAYROLL TAX REPRIEVE IS A JOKE....THE MANDATES FOR CRAP...No one, not even Ron Paul knows the end result of just stopping these government offices and the consequences would be felt for years as the USA works to rebound from their elimination.
One More Time... Ron Paul isn't going after waste in the dept, or reforming the dept, or improving the dept, or fixing problems in the dept... he would eliminate them, regardless of the impact on America.
My guess... much of the $Trillion dollars that Paul promotes as savings, would be spent duplicating these same services 50 times, as each state scrambles to recover from their loss.
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Commerce, United States Department of
Commerce, United States Department of, federal executive department charged with promoting U.S. economic development and technological advancement. In Feb., 1903, the Congress established a Department of Commerce and Labor empowered to investigate and report upon the operations of corporations engaged in interstate commerce (with the exception of common carriers). The first secretary was G. B. Cortelyou. In 1913 the Department of Labor was established as a separate executive department, while the functions of the Department of Commerce were expanded; the chief officer of each department, the secretary, received cabinet rank. Among its tasks are taking of censuses, promotion of American business at home and abroad, establishing standard weights and measures, and issuing patents and registering trademarks. Agencies under control of the secretary of commerce include the Economics and Statistics Administration (comprising the Bureau of the Census and the Bureau of Economic Analysis), the Bureau of Export Administration, the Economic Development Administration, the International Trade Administration, the Minority Business Development Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, the Patent and Trademark Office, and the Technology Administration (comprising the Office of Technology Policy, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, and the National Technical Information Service).
Approximately 3 million workers service equipment and face the greatest risk of injury if lockout/tagout is not properly implemented. Compliance with the lockout/tagout standard prevents an estimated 120 fatalities and 50,000 injuries each year. Workers injured on the job from exposure to hazardous energy lose an average of 24 workdays for recuperation. In a study conducted by the United Auto Workers (UAW), 20% of the fatalities (83 of 414) that occurred among their members between 1973 and 1995 were attributed to inadequate hazardous energy control procedures specifically, lockout/tagout procedures.
Holy Christ, you're quoting a UAW study...Your lockout tagout fatalities "prevented" is almost as funny as "jobs saved" by the stimulus bill. How do they measure a prevented accident?
The UAW should worry about their "union brothers" smoking dope and drinking booze on their lunch hour then returning to work.
Holy Christ, you're quoting a UAW study...Your lockout tagout fatalities "prevented" is almost as funny as "jobs saved" by the stimulus bill. How do they measure a prevented accident?
The UAW should worry about their "union brothers" smoking dope and drinking booze on their lunch hour then returning to work.
I've worked under these conditions in a Union Shop. With out OSHA, unions can complain but other than that, they powerless to do anything about safety issues.
By your response, it's apparent you really are clueless and have no idea what lockout/tag out is about. Since you seem incapable of learning new concepts... it's pointless to continue with you on this issue.
Talk to an electrician, plumber, machine repairman etc in a large shop and you might learn something.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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