Quoted from 55tbird

The pubs didn't pass a law abolishing abortion because the Supreme Court already decided that it violated womens rights. As even John Roberts has said, this is settled law.
Lets be clear on Abortion and numbers that are performed.. it has very little to do with Economics. It has very much to do with laziness and irresponsibility on the part of BOTH mothers and fathers. Birth Control is out there.. for FREE. Economics is NO excuse. Abortion is treated, for the most part, as "after the fact" contraception

It has more to do with economics than it does laziness and irresponsibility. If it were the latter as you subscribe, the rate wouldn't change much based on economic conditions. But that is not the case. Abortions increase when the economy is poor and decrease when it is good. For all the finger-wagging the right did over Clinton's supposed lack of morality, the abortion rate decreased under his administration because the economy was good. For all of the God-fearing Bush did, the rate went up because the economy sucked.

Are we so sure that we aren't paying for the same butchers?  Butchers that are running legally and taking our money.  Shame on us.


Posted by streiff (Profile)

Tuesday, March 15th at 8:06PM EDT
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When the story of the abortion shop cum abattoir run by Philadelphia doctor Kermit Gosnell hit the press in January the nation was shocked by the near medieval conditions encountered by women seeking access to the “safe, legal, and rare” procedure which kills over a million children each year.

As we noted at the time, the conditions in Gosnell’s facility was not an aberration, rather it was the easily foreseeable consequence of a governor, Tom Ridge, electing not to have abortion shops inspected because of a personal sympathy for the butchery that occurred within. A sympathy disguised by the hackneyed formulation “I’m personally opposed to abortion, but …”

If there is a single good thing to come out of this incident, other than Gosnell and most of his ghouls spending most of the rest of their lives in prison, it is the heightened level of scrutiny to the business of baby killing, a business that has managed to intimidate its way out of any regulatory regime.

Since Pennsylvania has resumed inspections two more abortion facilities have been shuttered.

    The reports show the same egregious errors in care and maintenance at both locations. For example, inspectors on both visits inquired about containers of fetal tissue found inside exam-room cabinets. The doctor expressed surprise at the discoveries and dumped them in bags for removal during the inspection.

    Inspectors also found a lack of resuscitation equipment and no documentation of patients’ vital signs, such as blood pressure, before or after care.

    The clinics had no recovery room and, because of the lack of staff, patients were discharged still groggy. A secretary told inspectors she helped patients dress and then they walked out as if in “a drunken state.”

More positively, there is a trend towards increasing regulations governing abortuaries. Pennsylvania it taking the baby step of making the regulation of abortion facilities a matter of law rather than policy. Maryland and Oklahoma are considering making abortion facilities conform to the same clinical standards as those which presently treat ingrown toenails.

Virginia has elected to regulate abortion shops as hospitals.

All of these changes have been accompanied by predictable bleating from the pro-abort crowd that somehow a woman’s alleged right to off her unwanted offspring is being infringed upon.

This has a dual impact. First, it makes an invasive surgical procedure safer by simply regulating it as we would regulate any other invasive surgical procedure. Secondly, abortion is a business. Any additional costs imposed on this business inevitably has the effect of driving some practitioners out of business. When Texas required abortion shops to be regulated as if they were surgical care clinics if they performed abortions beyond 16 weeks back in 2004 there were 20 doctors actively involved in this ongoing holocaust. Today there are about 4.

However, even in states where there is a regulatory regime that is somewhat enforced, we find that the search for abortion profits continues to put the lives of women at risk. Even now there are allegations concerning abortion shops in Texas which clearly merit scrutiny. And other allegations in Kansas, California, etc., that Operation Rescue is documenting.

As we’ve observed in the past, this is a long term struggle. We have small hope that the 20th Century equivalent of Dred Scott and Plessey, Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, will be overturned but through educating the public on what goes on in these baby chop-shops and electing people with the moral courage to stop as much as they can we can do our part to limit the public shame of abortion.
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Quoted from 1226

It has more to do with economics than it does laziness and irresponsibility. If it were the latter as you subscribe, the rate wouldn't change much based on economic conditions. But that is not the case. Abortions increase when the economy is poor and decrease when it is good. For all the finger-wagging the right did over Clinton's supposed lack of morality, the abortion rate decreased under his administration because the economy was good. For all of the God-fearing Bush did, the rate went up because the economy sucked.

clinton used a cigar as birth control

Quoted from 1226

It has more to do with economics than it does laziness and irresponsibility. If it were the latter as you subscribe, the rate wouldn't change much based on economic conditions. But that is not the case. Abortions increase when the economy is poor and decrease when it is good. For all the finger-wagging the right did over Clinton's supposed lack of morality, the abortion rate decreased under his administration because the economy was good. For all of the God-fearing Bush did, the rate went up because the economy sucked.

I'd like to see percentages on the decrease in abortions and I'd be willing to bet most of that decrease came from middle class families and above. What does the economy matter to someone that is on welfare?
And you're wrong on the reason for most abortions, which are due to irresponsibility and laziness...it is, whether you want to admit it or not. The non-abortion birth control methods are out there, mostly for free. If EVERYONE used them CORRECTLY when they DIDN'T want to have a pregnancy I'd be willing to bet you could reduce the amount of abortions performed by 80% or better. For the vast majority of cases, abortion is used for post-conception birth control. I can't see how anyone can say it isn't

Quoted from 55tbird

I'd like to see percentages on the decrease in abortions

If you really want to see the number of abortions decrease then fight the Republican planned cuts in funding Planned Parenthood.
Only 3% of PP's effort is in abortion. 97% of their focus is in prevention of unwanted pregnancy, family planning, STD prevention and treatment, birth control and sex education programs.

Cut the funding for Planned Parenthood, and watch the unwanted pregnancies with the resulting abortions rise.

Quoted from Box A Rox

If you really want to see the number of abortions decrease then fight the Republican planned cuts in funding Planned Parenthood.
Only 3% of PP's effort is in abortion. 97% of their focus is in prevention of unwanted pregnancy, family planning, STD prevention and treatment, birth control and sex education programs.

Cut the funding for Planned Parenthood, and watch the unwanted pregnancies with the resulting abortions rise.

I have no trouble in funding planned parenthood, although I question your numbers especially when abortions cost much more than pills or pamphlets.
I have no political party.. The Dems and pubs have social agendas, not fiscal ones, and I can't support either of them. They both are avoiding the real reason for our debt, and it is NOT primarily the pentagon and the wars. Like I said, you could cut the Defense budget by 50% tomorrow and still not come close to balancing the budget. SS, medicare and medicaid have to be looked at...and cut.

Quoted from 55tbird

I'd like to see percentages on the decrease in abortions and I'd be willing to bet most of that decrease came from middle class families and above. What does the economy matter to someone that is on welfare?
And you're wrong on the reason for most abortions, which are due to irresponsibility and laziness...it is, whether you want to admit it or not. The non-abortion birth control methods are out there, mostly for free. If EVERYONE used them CORRECTLY when they DIDN'T want to have a pregnancy I'd be willing to bet you could reduce the amount of abortions performed by 80% or better. For the vast majority of cases, abortion is used for post-conception birth control. I can't see how anyone can say it isn't

So let me get this straight... you want me to provide sources for abortion rates based on the economic conditions, but you make the unsubstantiated but certain claim that abortions are due to irresponsibility and laziness. Got it.

Quoted from 1226

So let me get this straight... you want me to provide sources for abortion rates based on the economic conditions, but you make the unsubstantiated but certain claim that abortions are due to irresponsibility and laziness. Got it.

Are you telling me that the ~1.2 million abortions performed in the US last year were mostly because of "life of the mother" health reasons, potential birth defects, rape, and incest and not because of using it for post-conception birth control?
Please tell me you're not that dumb

the ONLY non-abortion birthcontrol choice for the penis is a condom.......WOMEN GET THE REST OF THE RESPONSIBILITY via chemicals.....oh, wait,,,but
the men get viagra.....now isn't that fun-kin' funny?????

Quoted from senders

the ONLY non-abortion birthcontrol choice for the penis is a condom.......WOMEN GET THE REST OF THE RESPONSIBILITY via chemicals.....oh, wait,,,but
the men get viagra.....now isn't that fun-kin' funny?????

Well considering the women get stuck with the "unwanted" baggage and the men just have to send a check, I'd say its in their best interest to be responsible.

Quoted from 55tbird

Well considering the women get stuck with the "unwanted" baggage and the men just have to send a check, I'd say its in their best interest to be responsible.

I concur......but with the abortion there are no chemicals needed and no checks needed........

when men get the sale of viagara to HAVE sex it's just amusing that women get the sale of drugs to NOT produce babies from
that Heffner advertised sex.....just a spin.....and a spin that hasn't stopped....although we did get away from the needing of
offspring for the kings bloodline to continue....

Quoted from senders

I concur......but with the abortion there are no chemicals needed and no checks needed........

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There are non-chemical contraceptives for women. Pre-conception birth control is cheaper and probably safer than abortions. I'm sure with abortions you are taking some sort of drug or chemical..probably sedatives and/or anti-biotics.
Abortion should be legal, but we should strive to have as few of them as possible. There other ways besides abstinence and abortion to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Here's an interesting link
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_abo-health-abortions
Its abortion number by country... we are 2nd only to Russia.

Quoted from 55tbird

There are non-chemical contraceptives for women. Pre-conception birth control is cheaper and probably safer than abortions. I'm sure with abortions you are taking some sort of drug or chemical..probably sedatives and/or anti-biotics.
Abortion should be legal, but we should strive to have as few of them as possible. There other ways besides abstinence and abortion to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Here's an interesting link
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_abo-health-abortions
Its abortion number by country... we are 2nd only to Russia.

I dont say it should be a first choice....but it needs to exist safely and apparently so does viagra.....