Well when I look at the record of time spent on here I see you've been on here more than twice as long in just a short time while I've been registered and posting here for years.
This paragraph is full of contradictions. ND was a Republican turned Conservative endorsed by the Democrats. If the Party Committee's ultimate purpose is to win elections with candidates ideologically aligned with the party's beliefs, is sounds like you are suggesting the Democrat and Republican Party share ideological beliefs since both endorsed ND is a relatively short period of time. Why would an ideological conservative vote for a candidate with ND's political party musical chairs record? And please explain to me again how if ND was a registered Republican as County Legislator, turned Copservative, then endorsed Democrats, why she isn't considered a Republican spoiler? Is it because she was endorsed by a "real" party?
I think your political assessment is guided by you party bias, which is understandable. But I think the lay person is going to look at her political career and come to the logical conclusion that she's a political opportunist, willing to accept ANY endorsement regardless of ideology. Which make you wonder what her guiding principles are. Are they just to WIN period?
Yes...but unfortunately as we all know that purpose isn't always served...so I'm not suggesting the Democrat and Republican Parties have the same beliefs...but I do know that both Parties contain members of both conservative and liberal varieties...which is why the major Party line is secondary, to me....my primary concern is the conservative element. ND is not a conservative Republican or a conservative Democrat....she is a conservative Conservative...and it wouldn't matter if she was a conservative blank or a conservative member of the Independence Party...because conservatives who share priority on the adjective would vote for her. The only Parties in which ND has been enrolled are the Republican and Conservative Parties...she was never "Copservative" and she did not endorse Democrats, they endorsed her. BM went from Rep to Con and back to Rep again...so by your logic ideological conservatives have no reason to vote for him.
As far as I can tell, when the Democrat candidate beats the Republican candidate, the Democrat is routinely called the winner...I don't recall ever hearing the winning major Party candidate being called the spoiler of the losing major Party candidate....not even by members of the major Party that loses. My guess is that this is why ND was never considered a Republican spoiler. A Republican spoiler would be the candidate who files for a temporary ballot with a name that is easily and intentionally associated with Republicans, like No New Tax, and generates enough votes on that line so that the Republican loses by less than the number of votes on the spoiler NNT line.
If ND were a political opportunist she would have just agreed to run on the Democrat line when they asked her again...but she refused...so opportunist is a conclusion that's anything but logical....especially when you consider that if ND is cross endorsed by a major Party, she is not accepting their ideology, whatever it may be...they are accepting her conservative ideology...whether they share it or not...because those are her guiding principles...and her position is that if the residents want her based on those guiding priciples, which include but are not limited to ideology...and her strong work ethic...and her accomplishments...then they will elect her...and if they don't, they won't.
That's right Senders...the ems tax was always a scam from the moment of its conception...but it was the ST Board that tried to make it a reality in exchange for political endorsements he never got.
it was cooking before the ST board.....the vat of political muck in this town is like stone soup.....EVERYONE PUTS IN SOMETHING... just in case it pays out.....
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As far as I can tell, when the Democrat candidate beats the Republican candidate, the Democrat is routinely called the winner...I don't recall ever hearing the winning major Party candidate being called the spoiler of the losing major Party candidate....not even by members of the major Party that loses. My guess is that this is why ND was never considered a Republican spoiler. A Republican spoiler would be the candidate who files for a temporary ballot with a name that is easily and intentionally associated with Republicans, like No New Tax, and generates enough votes on that line so that the Republican loses by less than the number of votes on the spoiler NNT line.
So ND would be more like an Angelo S...A conservative Democrat that just wanted to serve at the state level and used the Democrat Party as a vehicle to get there. Now I understand. Thanks
So ND would be more like an Angelo S...A conservative Democrat that just wanted to serve at the state level and used the Democrat Party as a vehicle to get there. Now I understand. Thanks
It's obvious that putting words in my mouth is your only hope for making your obsessive case. What I said was...
"As far as I can tell, when the Democrat candidate beats the Republican candidate, the Democrat is routinely called the winner...I don't recall ever hearing the winning major Party candidate being called the spoiler of the losing major Party candidate....not even by members of the major Party that loses. My guess is that this is why ND was never considered a Republican spoiler. A Republican spoiler would be the candidate who files for a temporary ballot with a name that is easily and intentionally associated with Republicans, like No New Tax, and generates enough votes on that line so that the Republican loses by less than the number of votes on the spoiler NNT line."
And you conveniently left out this part...
"Yes...but unfortunately as we all know that purpose isn't always served...so I'm not suggesting the Democrat and Republican Parties have the same beliefs...but I do know that both Parties contain members of both conservative and liberal varieties...which is why the major Party line is secondary, to me....my primary concern is the conservative element. ND is not a conservative Republican or a conservative Democrat....she is a conservative Conservative...and it wouldn't matter if she was a conservative blank or a conservative member of the Independence Party...because conservatives who share priority on the adjective would vote for her. The only Parties in which ND has been enrolled are the Republican and Conservative Parties...she was never "Copservative" and she did not endorse Democrats, they endorsed her. BM went from Rep to Con and back to Rep again...so by your logic ideological conservatives have no reason to vote for him."
So if ND is not a conservative DEMOCRAT (like Angelo) and she didn't run for state office (like Angelo)...how is that the equivalent of Angelo??? ND did not use the Democrats...they went to her, as I've said. And what does it have to do with the spoiler paragraph you quoted???
And to repeat another conveniently omitted item, "If ND were a political opportunist [like Angelo] she would have just agreed to run on the Democrat line when they asked her again [unlike Angelo, who unlike ND was not invited...he went to them]...but she refused..."
Not only did Angelo REGISTER Democrat (unlike ND again)...but he will be more than happy to stay on their line (unlike ND again!)
ND is not a conservative Republican or a conservative Democrat....she is a conservative Conservative.
Then she will have no problem getting the endorsement from her own conservative party.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
It's obvious that putting words in my mouth is your only hope for making your obsessive case. What I said was...
"As far as I can tell, when the Democrat candidate beats the Republican candidate, the Democrat is routinely called the winner...I don't recall ever hearing the winning major Party candidate being called the spoiler of the losing major Party candidate....not even by members of the major Party that loses. My guess is that this is why ND was never considered a Republican spoiler. A Republican spoiler would be the candidate who files for a temporary ballot with a name that is easily and intentionally associated with Republicans, like No New Tax, and generates enough votes on that line so that the Republican loses by less than the number of votes on the spoiler NNT line."
And you conveniently left out this part...
"Yes...but unfortunately as we all know that purpose isn't always served...so I'm not suggesting the Democrat and Republican Parties have the same beliefs...but I do know that both Parties contain members of both conservative and liberal varieties...which is why the major Party line is secondary, to me....my primary concern is the conservative element. ND is not a conservative Republican or a conservative Democrat....she is a conservative Conservative...and it wouldn't matter if she was a conservative blank or a conservative member of the Independence Party...because conservatives who share priority on the adjective would vote for her. The only Parties in which ND has been enrolled are the Republican and Conservative Parties...she was never "Copservative" and she did not endorse Democrats, they endorsed her. BM went from Rep to Con and back to Rep again...so by your logic ideological conservatives have no reason to vote for him."
So if ND is not a conservative DEMOCRAT (like Angelo) and she didn't run for state office (like Angelo)...how is that the equivalent of Angelo??? ND did not use the Democrats...they went to her, as I've said. And what does it have to do with the spoiler paragraph you quoted???
And to repeat another conveniently omitted item, "If ND were a political opportunist [like Angelo] she would have just agreed to run on the Democrat line when they asked her again [unlike Angelo, who unlike ND was not invited...he went to them]...but she refused..."
Not only did Angelo REGISTER Democrat (unlike ND again)...but he will be more than happy to stay on their line (unlike ND again!)
Nice try Cicero...
What's the big deal over ND, AS, NNTP, or whatever or whomever? If NNTP is a spoiler, and so what if it is, let the electorate select the candidates they like the best. If ND is politically viable, and not endorsed by REPS, or DEMS again, then she too is a spoiler! He!!, let everyone be a spoiler, who cares . . .
What's the big deal over ND, AS, NNTP, or whatever or whomever? If NNTP is a spoiler, and so what if it is, let the electorate select the candidates they like the best. If ND is politically viable, and not endorsed by REPS, or DEMS again, then she too is a spoiler! He!!, let everyone be a spoiler, who cares . . .
It's just the way the two party system holds the electorate hostage. They would like you to believe that you only have the choices that the two party system presents.
The electorate is apparently not satisfied with the two party system that has failed them. Times are-a-changin'.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
And to repeat another conveniently omitted item, "If ND were a political opportunist [like Angelo] she would have just agreed to run on the Democrat line when they asked her again [unlike Angelo, who unlike ND was not invited...he went to them]...but she refused..."
She refused??? You conveniently say again, because you don't want to count the 2009 Town Council race?
What I can't believe is how the Town Democrats misjudged ND ideology. What did she say during the interview that convinced them to endorse her in the first place? If all she wants to do is serve as a conservative-Conservative, why doesn't she just accept the Democrat endorsement that you claim they are falling all over themselves for her to take? What is different this year from 2009r? If she isn't a pawn of the party bosses, why doesn't she just take the path of least resistance – the Democrat endorsement? It’s not like Conservatives are new to running on the Democrat line.
She refused??? You conveniently say again, because you don't want to count the 2009 Town Council race?
What I can't believe is how the Town Democrats misjudged ND ideology. What did she say during the interview that convinced them to endorse her in the first place? If all she wants to do is serve as a conservative-Conservative, why doesn't she just accept the Democrat endorsement that you claim they are falling all over themselves for her to take? What is different this year from 2009r? If she isn't a pawn of the party bosses, why doesn't she just take the path of least resistance – the Democrat endorsement? It’s not like Conservatives are new to running on the Democrat line.
My first guess would be that the dems and cons wouldn't give her the endorsement anyway. It would go to buffardi. So the rep party would be her only opportunity. And that would only give her one line.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
She refused??? You conveniently say again, because you don't want to count the 2009 Town Council race?
What I can't believe is how the Town Democrats misjudged ND ideology. What did she say during the interview that convinced them to endorse her in the first place? If all she wants to do is serve as a conservative-Conservative, why doesn't she just accept the Democrat endorsement that you claim they are falling all over themselves for her to take? What is different this year from 2009r? If she isn't a pawn of the party bosses, why doesn't she just take the path of least resistance – the Democrat endorsement? It’s not like Conservatives are new to running on the Democrat line.
I said 'again' because I AM counting the 2009 cycle...convenience is your own specialty these days....achieved mostly by putting words in my mouth...and twisting the rest...that's why you're still insisting that she went to the Democrats...and had to 'convince' them to endorse her...when I have repeatedly said throughout this discussion that the Democrats are the ones who went to her...and they are the ones who pitched her...not the other way around. You are right about the Democrats misjudging her...they thought she would think like them! LMAO !
All she wanted to do is serve...that why the conveniently self-defined labels you use were not a factor in her decision to run...she just happens to be a Conservative who is conservative.
What is entirely different speaks to your ignorance where ND is concerned...the Democrats apparently ASSUMED ND would be a puppet when she gave them no reason to believe any such thing...just like you do with no basis...as soon as she took office she made it clear that she was not going to do their bidding...she is not here for them...she would do what she thinks is right by the residents. Despite ND's resistance, the Democrats still approached her again...telling her they wanted her to "carry their Board" slate...because they know she is obviously very electable....but will hear none of it. TJ is already sour on MM because he won't take orders from them either...the poor kid will probably have to Primary to stay on his own Party line if he runs again - lol.
Unlike politicians such as, say John Mertz, ND is not a Party pawn...that's why she doesn't need to take the path of least resistance...because she won't sacrifice her 'guiding principles'...she will be fine with or without politics...unlike Mertz, who chose to keep his political patronage job over his claimed dedication to public service....and forfeited his right to be politically active in order to keep that job...I guess there's no work for attorneys outside the comfort zone of political circles.
Oh and btw...Conservatives on the Democrat line is something very new....it's Democrats on the Conservative line that is nothing new in this county.
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