Nobody in Tom's sandbox (Gloversville) will play with him anymore except his faithful lapdog, so he comes here to stir arguments and get his "fix". Apparently he's found enough people here to keep him occupy him (engaging him).
I post in a half dozen places MT... Your post has nothing to say on the subject... You must be bored and no one to play with.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
BINGO!!! you cant make someone have a baby if they are not willing to sacrifice all by themselves...they must be willing to do it on their own and if help arrives then so be it, how great that would be.......because in the end if that person views the baby as a consequence just like the abortion then the baby is born and is treated as such----a consequence or a cross to bear......that makes for bad upbringings.....
So a dead child is better than a poorly raised child? With that logic, in the case a poorly raised child is not preemptively aborted, he/she should be able to commit suicide when they are able to reason they had a poor upbringing to end the misery. Since death is the solution to a poor childhood.
So a dead child is better than a poorly raised child? With that logic, in the case a poorly raised child is not preemptively aborted, he/she should be able to commit suicide when they are able to reason they had a poor upbringing to end the misery. Since death is the solution to a poor childhood.
and they do....only it's not an actual suicide death......we could call it doing a 'Charlie Sheen' or something like that.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
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So a dead child is better than a poorly raised child? With that logic, in the case a poorly raised child is not preemptively aborted, he/she should be able to commit suicide when they are able to reason they had a poor upbringing to end the misery. Since death is the solution to a poor childhood.
and who was raising the child? who was bleeding for 6 weeks after the birth? etc etc.....again it is just expected of the woman
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Cicero isn't really trying to stop abortions... his REAL MOTIVE is to stop women from having sex.
Huh...Outta left field with that one. Are you saying abortion promotes women to have sex? Box promotes abortion because it increases his slim chances of getting laid.
Are you interested in history, and do you want to know when did abortion begin? An abortion is usually defined as the termination of a pregnancy by unnatural causes, such as the removing of the fetus or the embryo from the uterus. This removal causes the baby to die. There are two main types of abortions: therapeutic abortions, and elective abortions. Therapeutic abortions are performed when the removal of the fetus is necessary to preserve the health of the woman. Elective abortions are performed when an abortion is induced for any other reason. Yet, what is the history behind these procedures, and when did abortion begin?
Abortions have actually been traced back to ancient times. There is no conclusive evidence as to who was the first individual to have an abortion, or when was the first abortion performed. Rather, historians can safely say that abortions have been performed for centuries.
The first written evidence of an abortion dates back to China over a thousand years ago. A document from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus tracks the number of royal concubines in China that performed abortions between the years 500 and 515 B.C. Chinese myth states that as long ago as five thousand years ago, mercury was prescribed to induce abortions in females.
Although abortions have been induced for thousands of years, the majority of abortions that occurred during ancient times were not surgical abortions. Rather, other methods were used to induce abortions. For example, women were told to participate in exhaustive exercise, such as weight lifting, diving, climbing, or paddling. Some women were instructed to fast for days.
In some civilizations, hot water was poured onto the abdomen of a female, or the female lay on top of heated coconut shells. While historians state that some surgical abortions were performed, they were extremely rare in ancient civilizations.
There have been some specific references to abortion from ancient civilizations. For example, the Greek physician, Hippocrates, wrote a piece of work called the “Hippocratic Corpus.” The famous Hippocratic Oath is actually from this piece of work.
In the Corpus, Hippocrates forbids the use of pessaries to induce abortion. This citation in the Corpus is frequently interpreted as a warning against all abortions, and a belief that abortions should not be performed.
However, historians believe that Hippocrates forbid pessaries because they frequently resulted in ulcers, not because he was morally opposed to abortions. In fact, Hippocrates wrote of a time that he advised a prostitute on how to induce an abortion.
Another Greek writer, Soranus, wrote about abortions in his famous work, “Gynecology.” In Gynecology, Soranus advises that abortions should be performed if the health of the pregnant woman is at risk due to the fetus. He also recommended that abortions should be performed if the emotional maturity of the pregnant woman was not advanced enough to raise a child.
He further listed a number of methods for inducing abortions that he considered safe, such as the following:
Fasting Bloodletting Enemas Carrying heavy objects Riding animals Jumping Diuretics Emmenagogues According to Soranus, there were a number of unsafe methods to induce abortions as well, such as using sharp instruments to abort the baby. Sonarus also came up with a number of different recipes for herbal baths and herbal rubs that could induce abortions.
A number of other physicians and writers from ancient Greece described ways to induce abortions. The Greek pharmacologist Dioscorides recorded the ingredients for a drink known as “abortion wine,” which included such things as cucumber and hellebore among other ingredients. Pliny the Elder wrote that the refined oil of common rue could be used to induce abortions. A number of different Greek authors suggested various plants that could be used to cause abortions. For example, birthwort, a plant used to ease childbirth pain, was often prescribed to women that desired abortions.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Even if the father WANTED to raise the child - not an option.
why isn't it? was it discussed before the sex? that is my point...what is the conversation before.....who is taking what responsibility for a possible outcome? it sure as hell aint the cialis/viagra....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
what is the conversation before.....who is taking what responsibility for a possible outcome? it sure as hell aint the cialis/viagra....
It doesn't matter if it was decided on before. If at anytime during the first 24 weeks the women decides to have an abortion - the conversation before doesn't mean sh!t.
It doesn't matter if it was decided on before. If at anytime during the first 24 weeks the women decides to have an abortion - the conversation before doesn't mean sh!t.
OF COURSE IT DOES.....why wouldn't it? it's how the issue arises......it's not like it is out of thin air....everyone has seen 'the movie' and taken health class....again it comes down to WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY of birth control and self control?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
No, it doesn't legally. If both consenting adults agree to go full term if a pregnancy result from intercourse, prior to having intercourse, and a pregnancy results, the woman can change her mind during the first 24 weeks. Even if the couple is married and the father of the child signs a contract in blood saying he will raise the child, the woman can still have the abortion. MEN HAVE NO CHOICE
No, it doesn't legally. If both consenting adults agree to go full term if a pregnancy result from intercourse, prior to having intercourse, and a pregnancy results, the woman can change her mind during the first 24 weeks. Even if the couple is married and the father of the child signs a contract in blood saying he will raise the child, the woman can still have the abortion. MEN HAVE NO CHOICE
I would like stats on that....and maybe that is something to be persued....however, it still come down to the fact that a man has not the ability to do such as get pregnant and the other fact that a woman cannot get a man pregnant.....but maybe this is where the G.O.L.F. version for women takes effect.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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