From the moment of conception forward, the unborn child receives and transfers oxygen, though not through the lungs. What changes at birth is the mode of breathing: instead of receiving oxygen through the placenta, the child begins to breathe through its lungs. If the ability to sustain oxygen through the lungs is what indeed makes one human, then all those dependent on ventilators and oxygen machines would have to be classed as non-human.
An Unborn Child. (Great Phrase) NOT YET a child but soon may be. An Unlicensed Lawyer...he soon may be a Lawyer, but he's NOT YET a lawyer. An Uncooked egg... soon may be an omelet, but NOT YET. Iron ore is just that... It's not an anvil, or a railroad track, or a nail... It may one day be, but it's NOT YET. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp... even for dedicated conservatives... ******************************************************************
~ "What changes at birth is the mode of breathing: instead of receiving oxygen through the placenta, the child begins to breathe through its lungs." RIGHT. At this point, the Christian bible considers it no longer human cells, but a human being. Those aren't my rules, they are the rules of the Christian bible.l ******************************************************************** ~ "If the ability to sustain oxygen through the lungs is what indeed makes one human..." Of course NOT. A kangaroo, a duck, a elephant, all sustain oxygen through their lungs... Even Right Wing Nuts recognize that they aren't human. ******************************************************************** The Anti-choice crowd will often play with words like this because usually that's all they have. They even reject the words of the bible which doesn't outlaw abortion and does specify that human life begins with the first breath. If they don't believe their own bible, I'm sure nothing that I can say will change their attitude.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
An Uncooked egg... soon may be an omelet, but NOT YET.
If you take a half cooked egg off the heat will it ever return to uncooked? NO. But if you keep it on the heat, you will have an omelet. Just because you stop the omelet making process, it doesn't mean you were never cooking an omelet. Once the egg was put on the heat, you were making an omelet. As soon as the human egg is fertilized, you are making a human being.
If you take a half cooked egg off the heat will it ever return to uncooked? NO. But if you keep it on the heat, you will have an omelet. Just because you stop the omelet making process, it doesn't mean you were never cooking an omelet. Once the egg was put on the heat, you were making an omelet. As soon as the human egg is fertilized, you are making a human being.
YUP! A Human Being is not yet made... but it may be. And once it is BORN it IS a human being... before that, to use your analogy, it's not an omelet, just a mess of egg cells.
Once again. An egg is not a chicken... but may become one. You seem to be hung up on this part of the equation. Once it's born, by law and by the Christian Bible, it's a human... before that it's human cells at some stage of development.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Life Begins at Fertilization The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:
Box, just so you know, Roe v. Wade wasn't argued to determine when life begins, it has been biologically determined by science that it happens at conception. PERSONHOOD was what was being determined, to determine at what point the government recognized the HUMAN LIFE as a person granting it constitutional protection and HUMAN RIGHTS.
Even Wiki(not a right wing site) understands the definition of life.
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Life (cf. biota) is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signaling and self-sustaining processes (biology) from those that do not,[1][2] either because such functions have ceased (death), or else because they lack such functions and are classified as inanimate.[3]
In biology, the science of living organisms, life is the condition which distinguishes active organisms from inorganic matter.[4] Living organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations. More complex living organisms can communicate through various means.[1][5] A diverse array of living organisms (life forms) can be found in the biosphere on Earth, and the properties common to these organisms—plants, animals, fungi, protists, archaea, and bacteria—are a carbon- and water-based cellular form with complex organization and heritable genetic information.
YUP! A Human Being is not yet made... but it may be. And once it is BORN it IS a human being... before that, to use your analogy, it's not an omelet, just a mess of egg cells.
Once again. An egg is not a chicken... but may become one. You seem to be hung up on this part of the equation. Once it's born, by law and by the Christian Bible, it's a human... before that it's human cells at some stage of development.
No, you seem to be missing the point that a fertilized egg, human or chicken is considered a life BIOLOGICALLY, and you have somehow convinced yourself that stopping the LIFE process is not killing.
No, you seem to be missing the point that a fertilized egg, human or chicken is considered a life BIOLOGICALLY, and you have somehow convinced yourself that stopping the LIFE process is not killing.
All living cells are alive. Liver cells, brain cells, skin cells... (even cells of a tree). It's all LIFE, and in this case, it IS human cells... but NOT A HUMAN BEING. ~ "stopping the LIFE process is not killing" of course it's killing... Killing human cells... but NOT A HUMAN BEING. When you take out an appendix, you kill human cells... when you cut your finger, you kill human cells, when you scrape your knee, you kill human cells... But you DON'T kill a human being.
You are still playing with words, but the concept is still the same.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
This entire abortion issue was NEVER about when life starts. It was all about WOMEN'S RIGHTS!!! What they could and couldn't do with their bodies! It had NOTHING to do about when life starts. And if anyone believes that, I have a bridge to no where to sell ya.
The pro abortion people (women), just used the 'when is it a life' to ease the reality of sucking a baby out of it's MOTHER'S womb and killing it!!! THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!
They didn't give a damn whether it was tissue, a fetus or a baby with a beating heart they were ripping out of their bodies. Women just wanted to get rid of the kid when they wanted to.
The government just loved the idea back then, since most of the women seeking abortions were african american!!! You shoulda been there for the fiasco!
I AM WOMEN, HEAR ME ROAR!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
When my daughter became pregnant with her first baby we were SOOOO excited. When she went for her first ultrasound I went with her, she brought a recorder to record the heartbeat so her hubby could hear it when he got home from work.
Well the ultrasound began and I saw the baby fully formed and the most beautiful baby to me : ) This was my first grandchild. I was babling away about the arms and legs etc and didn't notice right away the technicial wasn't smiling. Then she had to do an internal ultasound and came back and said to wait for the doctor. We waited and he called us into his office.
He too didn't have a smile but in the excitement of the moment we didn't notice right away. He then told my daughter the baby had no heartbeat : (
I cannot explain the pain I felt for my daughter. I don't remember much after that just holding her and crying. the dr wanted her to go to the hospital the next day for a procedure, and I do remember asking if they would do another ultrasound to make sure.
They did genetic testing to see if anything wrong that way but it was ok. We did find out the sweet little baby was a girl.
Well after a while my daughter did become pregnant again and they did lots of ultasounds, I know she was a nervous wreck and I was too.
My grandson is now three, the smartest and cutest little boy : )
So I have a precious grand daughter in heaven. I never got to hold her or kiss her, but she will always be in my heart until the day I die. And yes she was a baby, a beautiful little baby.
An Unborn Child. (Great Phrase) NOT YET a child but soon may be. An Unlicensed Lawyer...he soon may be a Lawyer, but he's NOT YET a lawyer. An Uncooked egg... soon may be an omelet, but NOT YET. Iron ore is just that... It's not an anvil, or a railroad track, or a nail... It may one day be, but it's NOT YET. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp... even for dedicated conservatives... ******************************************************************
~ "What changes at birth is the mode of breathing: instead of receiving oxygen through the placenta, the child begins to breathe through its lungs." RIGHT. At this point, the Christian bible considers it no longer human cells, but a human being. Those aren't my rules, they are the rules of the Christian bible.l ******************************************************************** ~ "If the ability to sustain oxygen through the lungs is what indeed makes one human..." Of course NOT. A kangaroo, a duck, a elephant, all sustain oxygen through their lungs... Even Right Wing Nuts recognize that they aren't human. ******************************************************************** The Anti-choice crowd will often play with words like this because usually that's all they have. They even reject the words of the bible which doesn't outlaw abortion and does specify that human life begins with the first breath. If they don't believe their own bible, I'm sure nothing that I can say will change their attitude.
The unborn child is still a human life. Speaking from personal experience - prior to my godson and his twin sister being born many weeks premature -- the doctors wanted their mother to have an abortion because her life was in danger. They said that the unborn babies could not survive outside her womb and that she would die if they waited until they were. She refused an abortion and the twins were born a few weeks later --- technically .. still not viable according to the doctors. The doctors said they might live a few hours or days ... they passed those milestones. The doctors said they would have all kinds of health problems and might die before they were much beyond infancy ... the twins grew slowly but surely and despite a few issues ,, grew .. and grew..and eventually were thriving. The twins will be 28 years old this spring ... both are in great health .. played varsity athletics in high school and college. One placed quite high in track and field Nationally .. I believe 14th in the nation in her track events. Both graduated from very good colleges with honors.
Oh -- and at least one of the doctors who said they would never be viable .. he dropped dead of a heart attack in his 50's. So I guess -- God surely fooled that guy all the way around.
Long story short --- an unborn baby is a human. Only God should decide who is viable and who is not.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
All living cells are alive. Liver cells, brain cells, skin cells... (even cells of a tree). It's all LIFE, and in this case, it IS human cells... but NOT A HUMAN BEING. ~ "stopping the LIFE process is not killing" of course it's killing... Killing human cells... but NOT A HUMAN BEING. When you take out an appendix, you kill human cells... when you cut your finger, you kill human cells, when you scrape your knee, you kill human cells...
Can a liver cell become anything else than a liver cell? Can a skin cell become anything else other than a skin cell? Can an unferilized egg become anything other than an egg? Can an single sperm become anything other than a single sperm? The answer to all of those is NO. But...When the sperm fetilizes the egg, it begins the LIFE PROCESS to form ALL of the those single cells you mentioned, creating what only a fertilized human egg can create - A HUMAN BEING!
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