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SCHENECTADY -- City officials said Wednesday that they did everything they could to locate the body of Patrick Sheehan, the 51-year-old man whose body went unnoticed for three weeks after a fire consumed his McClellan Street apartment building.

Public Safety Commissioner William Bennett acknowledged that Sheehan was on a list of the building's tenants they received shortly after the Dec. 10 fire but that they did not search for him until his brother reported on Christmas -- more than two weeks after the fire -- that the family had not heard from Sheehan since the blaze.

Bennett said Sheehan's body could not be seen in the building and the apartment was too dangerous for them to examine after the fire.

"I don't see what else we could have possibly done," Bennett said.

Patrick Sheehan died in his 902 McClellan St. apartment.

Three weeks later, crews demolishing the building at the corner of McClellan and Eastern Avenue found his body.

The fire is considered suspicious, and police charged a female tenant with drug possession after she ran out of the building disoriented.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Bennett-on-forgotten-body-I-don-t-see-what-else-939032.php

IMHO, that's BULL(rap!

Refusing, again, to take responsibility.

It's SO Schenectady.

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Ok, so in your warped mind, since there apparently is no law that mandates that police begin an investigation of a person missing since their apartment was burned, then you are saying YOUR DEM CITY CRONIES are totally off the hook of any responsibility

Right on the money MC1. At the much awaited news conference The Commis made a total fool out of himself stating that even though Sheehan was on the list of the building tenants received on Dec 10th they didn't look for him until Christmas! Why did they wait 15 days?

      Then the classic; "I don't see what else we could have possible done"? WTF! How about searching starting Dec 11th? How about treating the family with the respect it deserved? Unbelievable. Another new low for the once great City of Schenectady. End of "investigation". Lift rug and sweep {again}.

What I find frustrating is that none of them actually live in the city.  I think it should be a qualification to be able to be elected, you have to live in the city for at least 5 years.  And on top of that, they have to live in an area of need.  Could you see them living on Emmett Street?  

I live in Schenectady County.  I live in a nice area now.  But I dont think that should count for CITY officials.  I think they should live in the CITY.  They should live downtown.  They wouldnt survive the hour.  

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He's the Rotterdam Town Attorney

Hmmmm,  Liccardi the town attorney in a DEM administration AND he is the attorney for the biggest tax deliquent scumlord in the city?  

Well, great DEM connections....right DV????????

DV, you are so totally supporting the PD in this.

Here are the FACTS, DV, the UNDISPUTABLE FACTS:

Patrick is the deceased.  Frank is the brother.    Patrick died in a fire on Dec 10.    Frank only learns of the fire on Christmas Day, and knows that Patrick lived in that building, that Patrick had not contacted him since the fire, that Patricks car was still parked there, and that Patrick was missing.

So Frank contacts the Schenectady police dept.    And the police dept does not even so much as contact the fire dept on the outside chance that there indeed was someone in the building????????    

The police tell Frank to contact the Red Cross.  Since Patrick has children AND family, uh, common sense and INTELLIGENCE (which you do not have) would indicate that Patric would have contacted them.  Even if he went to the Red Cross he would have at least contacted family that he he clearly was NOT estranged from.

So, since ALL pieces of information Frank told the police the facts, would YOU, DV, would YOU care to explain to us why you support the police not contacting the fire dept.  

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We don't know for sure how the man died ....

Notice the time DV posted that comment, at 9:48 p.m.   Hmmmm, DV obviously has no reading ability.   (you'll have to go to the post and see the time)


However 8 hours EARLIER, at 1:40 p.m., MobileTerminal posted a QUOTE from the Schenectady Police department itself  DUH!    Here is an excerpt from that post (and the posted link)

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NEWS RELEASE DETAILS
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The … has been identified as Patrick Sheehan. …. An autopsy was performed and the cause of death is asphyxia as a result of smoke inhalation.
http://www.schenectadypd.com/news/release_details.php?id=559

In the same message Jan 3 at 9:48 pm post, DV writes:

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The separate but equally important issue to investigate is how they missed the body

Excerpt from the announcement of the “coming announcement”  as stated by Commissioner Bennett himself.

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City to provide answers about discovery of body...
The results of an inquiry into how the body … wasn’t discovered for three weeks are expected to be revealed this afternoon, Public Safety Commissioner Wayne Bennett said.
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    “We have the answers and we will be giving them out,” Bennett said.
    Asked whether those answers include anything that rose to the level of disciplinary action against anyone or policy changes, Bennett said he would address that at the press conference.     
    As to how Sheehan could have been missed, Bennett said Monday that firefighters were told …. They relied on one individual who should have been reliable, he said.

Now, here is something too:

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Body found in rubble of Schenectady fire scene
By PAUL NELSON Staff Writer
Updated:02:59 p.m., Friday, December 31, 2010

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Investigators did not find the body when they examined the interior of 902 McClellan St., following a Dec. 10 fire that heavily damaged the building

Then on Wednesday Jan 5 we read in the TU

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Bennett said Sheehan's body could not be seen in the building and the apartment was too dangerous for them to examine after the fire."I don't see what else we could have possibly done," Bennett said.

Two pieces of info from the PD that contradict each other.


Everyone but  DV sees things wrong and contradictory from the city, right?

And this is a quote from the TU article released tonight

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Farstad said four tenants who were outside the building after the blaze told them everyone was accounted for and that the building's landlord, Frank Popolizio, told the fire department Sheehan's apartment was vacant at the time of the fire.


Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/loca.....32.php#ixzz1ADiZqQaL

The only "warped mind" is the he-she monkey's mind.   I defended no one ... only said that I wanted to
wait until an investigation was done and there was more information upon which to base a judgement.

Maybe the he-she monkey doesn't mind having diarrhea of the mouth and spouting off half-assed
claims with no supporting evidence.  That is his-her business.  

I prefer to make up my mind based on studying the facts and analyzing them thoughtfully.

One could honestly say that the fire department should probably not have relied on just the words of
a few people at the scene.   They probably should have made an effort to contact everyone on the list
either directly and, if unable, to contact their next of kin.  

Now, we don't know how close the victim's siblings were to the victim or how well or regularly they communicated
with one another.   It is possible - that they only heard from him once a year on Christmas.   This underscores
the need for all persons to keep in touch with loved ones on regular basis.  Have some kind of plan that if they
don't hear from them say every week at a certain time -- then they should check up on that person.

I haven't read anywhere in what condition the victim's body was - other than it was found on a couch and they determined that he died of asphyxiation.   Having seen bodies that have been burned, it is possible that the body was very seriously burned so that it is feasible that one could have overlooked it ... especially if the
remains blended in with the charred remains of the couch.

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The only "warped mind" is the he-she monkey's mind.   I defended no one ... only said that I wanted to
wait until an investigation was done and there was more information upon which to base a judgement.

Maybe the he-she monkey doesn't mind having diarrhea of the mouth and spouting off half-assed
claims with no supporting evidence.  That is his-her business.  

I prefer to make up my mind based on studying the facts and analyzing them thoughtfully.

I have provided the supporting evidence.....

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We don't know for sure how the man died ....


Notice the time DV posted that comment, at 9:48 p.m.   Hmmmm, DV obviously has no reading ability.   (you'll have to go to the post and see the time)


However 8 hours EARLIER, at 1:40 p.m., MobileTerminal posted a QUOTE from the Schenectady Police department itself  DUH!    Here is an excerpt from that post (and the posted link)


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NEWS RELEASE DETAILS
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The … has been identified as Patrick Sheehan. …. An autopsy was performed and the cause of death is asphyxia as a result of smoke inhalation.
http://www.schenectadypd.com/news/release_details.php?id=559

If the he-she monkey had any reading comprehension skills -- he-she would know that I said
"we do not know the condition of the victim's body except for that he died of asphyxiation".
Having seen the bodies of fire victims, I know that they can be in various conditions from unburned to charred.
Some people are killed by the smoke and their bodies are unscathed by the flames.   Some people are
burned so badly that their bodies literally meld to the fabric of the furniture that they were on.

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One could honestly say that the fire department should probably not have relied on just the words of
a few people at the scene.   They probably should have made an effort to contact everyone on the list
either directly and, if unable, to contact their next of kin.  

Now, we don't know how close the victim's siblings were to the victim or how well or regularly they communicated
with one another.   It is possible - that they only heard from him once a year on Christmas.   This underscores
the need for all persons to keep in touch with loved ones on regular basis.  Have some kind of plan that if they
don't hear from them say every week at a certain time -- then they should check up on that person.

I haven't read anywhere in what condition the victim's body was - other than it was found on a couch and they determined that he died of asphyxiation.   Having seen bodies that have been burned, it is possible that the body was very seriously burned so that it is feasible that one could have overlooked it ... especially if the
remains blended in with the charred remains of the couch.

And the point I was making....explain this DV......Frank Sheehan learned of the fire on Christmas Day, Patrick had not contacted him, Patrick had not contacted his own children, Patricks' car was still parked there....Frank contacts the police department and the police deparmtnet don't do ANYTHING, the police dept doesn't contact the fire department, does not contact the building inspector, etc, just tells Frank to look for his brother elsewhere?????     DV, I guess with ALL the indicators that Patrick is missing, YOU think the police should not act at all?????????  

In terms of how the fire started, who started it if that's the case, or was it accidental from an appliance, etc, I will wait to hear that stuff in terms of laying blame on a person or inanimate object.  But that investigation has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the FAILURE of the police to contact that the fire department or appropriate city office  when told of the FACT that a resident IS MISSING, and the residient's car is STILL parked there.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1st -   Don't try to guess what you think I am thinking or think that I believe,

2nd - I will respond as I read more and get a chance to think about it.

Just shooting from the hip, I would say that clearly there needs to be some better procedures for
determining who is and who is not safely out of a burning or burnt building.

I know that in schools and in business places that I have been in - we had certain persons who were
responsible for having a list of who was present in the building -- along with contact numbers for next
of kin if the worst should happen.   Then there were procedures -- these are the fire exits ... these are
the places to meet up at after exiting.    

I don't know what the city's ordinances say about fire safety training for multi-family dwellings - but it
may be necessary to enact and enforce some type of rules.    

Also - just my gut feeling - I don't know whether it was a good thing to depend on a person or persons
words that everyone was out safely.    Some effort should have been made to actually, physically confirm
that every person was - in fact - alive and accounted for,

This is beyond despicable. The Commis stated that the family will realize that they did everything they could when they "cool off"? WTF! What some overlook is that the brothers went to the police station Christmas Day to say that their brother lived in that building and is missing. It has come out that Mr Sheehan's car was across the street in the Price Chopper lot the whole time. This was a complete breakdown. There is no communication between police and fire departments. Where was the Mayor yesterday? Why wasn't he on the fire scene since lives around the corner?

     The Commis is a Clifton Park resident.  He should be fired today. He should not be replaced. This is all over the airwaves and press. No one believes yesterday's pathetic attempt to blame the victims family. Everyone involved in this failed cover up needs to be held accountable and fired. The problem with looking the other way-is that everyone has to do it at the same time.