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Well, I'm voicing my opinion and my opinion is that the trails are in decent condition. Of course they could use a little maintenece here and there but they are VERY far from being unusable or unsafe. I stand by my opinion that blacktop does not need to be laid down to enhance its usabilty, it will only help destroy the ecosystem and the many gravesites.
I'm not looking at any plans, plans mean nothing if this city has their hands in it. Does anyone know what the historic preservationists say about this? What is her name, Delain? Is she the one involved with preserving Vale? |
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I have been into Vale in the past year --- I have seen where the roadway is deteriorating --- that is why the work is being done. You can also go to city hall and look at the plans --- along with the supporting documentation to show the poor condition it was in BEFORE the work started and what it will look like when completed.
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The streets in the city need work far more than some little trail in Vale. Also, it's state money, well, the bridges in this state need to take priority before this little trail. Money spent on a trail is NOT a necessity. Take that money for the trial and fix the bridges so people don't have to drive, what, 100 miles out of their way to get to work, Crown Point bridge. And spend the trail money on other bridges so we don't have another bridge collapse like on the Thruway. Or spend the money on city roads so people don't get their cars damaged from potholes. Fix the watermains before a trail. I mean, can you imagine ANYONE thinking that money should be spent on a trail instead of using that money to pay the damage to peoples homes that occurs when the city fails to maintain the infrastructure. You want someplace to exercise and get socialization. Go join a gym - you'll get exercise. And you can socialize with the other people using the gym. One can't get exercise sitting and posting message on these boards all day long and into the wee hours |
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The fact is that similar projects in other urban areas have led to REDUCED crime.
The trail through Vale offers great benefits --- #3) it will allow good, decent people to USE THE PARK ... and Vale is not just a cemetery but a park .. it was originally designed to function as cemetery and park. Many studies have shown that the more people use an area ... the crime rate drops.
Ron, I'm sorry, but even you must accept that the exact opposite of this is also true. Every study ever done shows that if the crime rate rises, then less people use the area. There needs to be proof of a reduction in crime before the people will begin to use this again. I suggest that maybe they start with reducing the crime in the park, but this is something that they really need to do all through the city, not just in one area. Heck, when you can't even walk down the miracle mile without the possibility of being mugged or shot, what does that say for the rest of the city? By the way, have they found any of the murderers in the city as of late, or are they still running free? |
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People who don't own homes and don't pay taxes won't understand this.
But when you own a house and the house needs things, e.g., repair/replace a furnace, replace a roof, put in a new driveway, those things are necessities and those things get done before you put in a pretty trail in the back yard. In a bad economy, you simply do not put that trail in the back yard (or deck, patio, pool, etc). A trail is nice, but what happens if you spend money on a trail instead of replacing your roof?
Likewise, when the taxes are high and the government is in a big debt, a bike trail is NOT a necessity, there is not even the remotest need for a bike trail. It's "nice" but the state is in major financial problems.
Unfortunately, people who don't pay the bills figure there is an endless supply of money. Classic analogy, many years ago you could find apartments "with heat included" and how many tenants never thought twice about turning up the thermostat. People who live in another's house and don't have the National Grid bill in their own name, don't care about how much money it costs, they are not paying, thus they don't think twice about jacking the thermostat up to 75. When people pay their own heat, then they cut back.
Another good analogy. People on medicaid will usually go to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and fevers of 100 and go in the evening and weekends. (true even when they can be enrolled in a plan with which they have a primary care doctor to call during the day). Since they are not paying the ER visit, since they don't even so much as have a $50 co-pay for going to the ER, they don't think twice to mis-using the tax dollars. Using the ER costs several hundred dollars where going to the doctor may be less than $100 for visit. Those of us who pay premiums and have deductibles and/or co-pays might have a fever of 104 and we will think, "its' going to cost us" so we intelligently and wisely choose to call our primary doctor's office and go there and pay our $20 co-pay. We know the value of the dollar.
THose of us who pay taxes and see the HUGE financial crisis the state is in, we know that there are necessities that must be paid for and that there simply is no money for bike trails.
I wonder where people think that the money is supposed to come from to pay for bike trails?????? Where is the money tree???
And are bike trails going to reduce crime in the city? Is spending tax money on bike trails going to reduce the high property taxes or the high taxes in the state? Is spending money on bike trails going to result in better maintained watermains in the city? Etc.
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More revisionism. Under the REPS, Metrograft was established and the only jobs worth talking about State jobs came to Schenectady. That got some non-street people over there. GE was never leaving town and the current battery plant is a Federal green program. The local DEMS have increased taxes, hired incompetents, refuse to address Countywide crime and gang issues, and can't even site a County nursing home THAT THEY HAVE BONDED! The sooner we eliminate this idiotic County Legislature and move to a Board of Supervisors-the better.
That is precisely why we need a GREAT candidate to step up for County Leg. Someone with "integrity" and the stamina to withstand the trials and tribulations without waver. ....... will someone PLEASE step up to the plate!!!!! ???? |
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That is precisely why we need a GREAT candidate to step up for County Leg. Someone with "integrity" and the stamina to withstand the trials and tribulations without waver. ....... will someone PLEASE step up to the plate!!!!! ????
Thank you Tracy. Now that Landslide Savage has gone down in flames the DEM invincibility argument has been destroyed. There are many willing to run that wouldn't two years ago. Concentrate on a REP unity team for the town and everything else will fall in the victory column. |
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DemocraticVoiceOfReason |
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DV is the kind of guy who puts in a swimming pool when he has holes in his roof, and borrows to do it. OHH! That's right! He doesn't have a house!
Actually, I have never owned a swimming pool and the roof is well maintained - without having to borrow money to do it. And I own several properties. |
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Ron, I'm sorry, but even you must accept that the exact opposite of this is also true. Every study ever done shows that if the crime rate rises, then less people use the area. There needs to be proof of a reduction in crime before the people will begin to use this again. I suggest that maybe they start with reducing the crime in the park, but this is something that they really need to do all through the city, not just in one area. Heck, when you can't even walk down the miracle mile without the possibility of being mugged or shot, what does that say for the rest of the city? By the way, have they found any of the murderers in the city as of late, or are they still running free?
I have attended a few conferences on the issue and can assure you that the research backs up my statement. As more "good people" populate and use an area ... the "bad people" leave and crime falls. Maybe, you should do something to help reduce the crime rate .. instead of just being an arm-chair quarterback. |
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That is precisely why we need a GREAT candidate to step up for County Leg. Someone with "integrity" and the stamina to withstand the trials and tribulations without waver. ....... will someone PLEASE step up to the plate!!!!! ????
Perhaps the reps can endorse MV again?? |
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Complete the Downtown through Vale to Central Park multi-modal trail .... actually it will continue on back down Union Street .. so complete that part too.
Then develop some multi-modal trails to connect Rotterdam to downtown Schenctady --- the Hamburg Street corridor, Altamont Ave corridor, Guilderland Ave and Broadway corridors .... add multimodal trails from the river front in Rotterdam Junction to Plotterkill Preserve and to Moccassin Kill Preserve and all along Mariaville Road from 5 corners to Duanesburg ... make Schenectady County the most biker and walker friendly county in the country.
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make Schenectady County the most biker and walker friendly county in the country.
Get control of spending and slash taxes. Nobody cares about this rubbish. No one in their right mind will hike on the "multi-modal" trail through dangerous inner City neighborhoods. Cut County services and eliminate 12 programs at DSS not State mandated. Coming next a County movie on Center City walls in freezing temperatures with no sound! |
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That is precisely why we need a GREAT candidate to step up for County Leg. Someone with "integrity" and the stamina to withstand the trials and tribulations without waver. ....... will someone PLEASE step up to the plate!!!!! ????
having a hard time finding candidates tracey? dont forget you need two candidates for dis. 4 not just one. Oh wait you probably wont run anybody against ang or tony j anyway, since you guys are all so close |
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having a hard time finding candidates tracey? dont forget you need two candidates for dis. 4 not just one. Oh wait you probably wont run anybody against ang or tony j anyway, since you guys are all so close
No need to run anybody against Mr. Jasenski and Mr. Santabarbara .. they represent us well. |
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Get a hold of yourself. No "good" people are going to move in where the "bad" people rule the day. You mix clean water with dirty water and you get dirty water. Besides, "good" people can do math, and the math tells anyone with an ounce of brains that there is no way you can now buy property in the city and be above water (unless you get a tax free deal from the old boys at Metroplex!) |
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mikechristine1 |
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I have attended a few conferences on the issue and can assure you that the research backs up my statement. As more "good people" populate and use an area ... the "bad people" leave and crime falls. Maybe, you should do something to help reduce the crime rate .. instead of just being an arm-chair quarterback.
Provide links to the studies that support your claims, otherwise, it's a lie |
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