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CICERO
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I hope you are not implying that the post of First Deputy Town Clerk was created for me  -- because the fact
is  ..... State Law allows for a First Deputy to be appointed   (and I had nothing to do with the state adopting
that provision of the law)    As to whether it is "patronage" to reward me ...   how does paying Michelle Golden to do a job reward me?


Just because state law allows it, doesn't mean you fill the maximum allowance.  What does state law say about a $50K no show clerk?  I'm sure the law wasn't meant for staffing the clerks office so the clerk can get paid not to show up.   And please, stop acting like you were not trying to land an appointment job in the clerks office.  You're an apparchik, that's all you know.


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Oh so YOU believe that its perfectly OK for an elected official to stay in office even though the official violated a law, right?  




You are alleging that he violated the law ... and since you are not the judge and jury on the matter --
I leave that up to those who are qualified and legally responsible to make the determination about whether a law was violated or not.

In the meantime, I don't believe that Mayor Stratton should resign ... and if he seeks reelection -- as I said
earlier .. it will be up to the voters to decide whether they want him to be mayor for another 4 years.  

Fortunately, we live in a democracy and not some lunatic twilight zone where the 2 people -- you and Pat Z
wear collanders on their head with aluminum foil antennas .. and get to think they are dictators who can
stamp their feet, yell and shout nasty things about others -- and have their way just because they (you) are
spoiled little brats.


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You are alleging that he violated the law ... and since you are not the judge and jury on the matter --
I leave that up to those who are qualified and legally responsible to make the determination about whether a law was violated or not.

In the meantime, I don't believe that Mayor Stratton should resign ... and if he seeks reelection -- as I said
earlier .. it will be up to the voters to decide whether they want him to be mayor for another 4 years.  

Fortunately, we live in a democracy and not some lunatic twilight zone where the 2 people -- you and Pat Z
wear collanders on their head with aluminum foil antennas .. and get to think they are dictators who can
stamp their feet, yell and shout nasty things about others -- and have their way just because they (you) are
spoiled little brats.


Law prohibits dept heads from earning OT.  Stratton was giving him OT.  STratton violated the law.  You say your dem buddy Stratton should not resign.  Therefore, you support a mayor staying in office when he violated the law.  Unfortunately this will never go before a judge because Stratton pulled back on it.  Why did he take back the OT?   Because he knew damn well he was violating the law and he didn't want to be charged with anything.

DV, WHY do you think Stratton kept this OT deal A SECRET ???????????????????    WHY didn't STratton tell the taxpayers what he was doing?????????   WHY, DV, WHY/

Pat Z looks out for the taxpayers.  Pat Z wants transparency in government.  You oppose Pat Z, therefore you oppose transparency in govt.  Without transparency, things get done in secret without the knowledge of the taxpayers.  When the taxpayers are paying, they have every right to know every detail.   See, you don't understand because you living off some a pair of women who are rather well off, and therefore you don't pay taxes, and you clearly don't suffer like the people in the city who have to pay the high taxes in the city.  It's the peoples' money, DV, therefore the people have a right to know and Pat is bringing out all this stuff.

And tell us DV, how come Stratton is giving out exemptions to the residency requirements for all his political patronage cronies so they can avoid paying the high taxes?  Heck, DV, can you explain how a dept head can be responsible with their own dept budget when they don't have to pay the tax bills, they don't have to struggle with the tough choices that people in Scchenectady have to make every day because of the taxes they have to pay and the dangers they have to live.  It's nice to be a Stratton crony, live in a safe community, have your children go to decent schools, kids can play outside without fear of getting shot at in a drive-by, have a nice home, pay low taxes, get a high salary from STratton, and you can have a car given to you and a cell phone.  Wow, DV.   With the high taxes in the city, many taxpayers struggle to buy a used car, but they are paying high taxes for many city employees to have city vehicles 24/7 for no reason at all.  

So, do you support the Stratton violating residency requirements?


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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You are alleging that he violated the law ... and since you are not the judge and jury on the matter --
I leave that up to those who are qualified and legally responsible to make the determination about whether a law was violated or not.

In the meantime, I don't believe that Mayor Stratton should resign ... and if he seeks reelection -- as I said
earlier .. it will be up to the voters to decide whether they want him to be mayor for another 4 years.  

Fortunately, we live in a democracy and not some lunatic twilight zone where the 2 people -- you and Pat Z
wear collanders on their head with aluminum foil antennas .. and get to think they are dictators who can
stamp their feet, yell and shout nasty things about others -- and have their way just because they (you) are
spoiled little brats.


I agree! Who is Pat Z and people like MC1 to say that stratton broke the law. All he did was pad someone's pension illegally at the taxpayer's expense! To think that they actually take a stand, for the record is lunacy!

Exposing corruption should not be part of our democracy. And how dare Pat Z. expose and stop an illegal raise that Stratton gave to himself! Again.....Lunacy.

This is obviously 'not working together'!




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Editorial: Damage control effort can't alter the facts
Sunday, December 5, 2010

Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton’s reversal on Fire Chief Robert Farstad’s pension-padding scheme, along with a tough new line against future abuses, should be welcome news to city taxpayers and managers of the state Retirement System, but his attempt to take credit for solving a problem that was largely his doing seems almost comical.
Stratton got caught with his hand in the city’s cookie jar a few weeks ago when Gazette Reporter Kathleen Moore revealed he’d gone against the express wishes of the City Council, secretly approving a scheme to give Farstad enough overtime in his last few years as chief to nearly double his pension when he retires sometime in 2011. At first Stratton insisted it wasn’t pension-padding; then he tried to justify it by alternately claiming he’d done it to save the city money, that other mayors had done it for other administrators, and that he was simply trying to correct an injustice committed against the chief when he briefly left the city’s employ a dozen years ago................>>>>......................>>>>..................http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2010/dec/05/1205_prririrnt/
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Mayor SOS "did it to save the City money"? ROTFLMAO!! He did it because he knew that no one on the all DEM rubber stamp City Council would say anything. He did it because he knew he could get away with it. He got caught with his hand in the taxpayer cookie jar and lied about it.

      Bravo to reporters Kathleen Moore & Lauren Stanforth who have more backbone then the entire useless Schenectady City Council. The Gazetto needs to stop girl private footing around and demand a resignation from Mayor SOS and every City Council person who looked the other way. At the least demand AG Cuomo start a complete investigation of this sordid affair.
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Just because state law allows it, doesn't mean you fill the maximum allowance.  What does state law say about a $50K no show clerk?  I'm sure the law wasn't meant for staffing the clerks office so the clerk can get paid not to show up.   And please, stop acting like you were not trying to land an appointment job in the clerks office.  You're an apparchik, that's all you know.


You must be a Marxist-Leninist because you are the one using the Soviet-era terms.

I never sought the appointment in the Clerk's Office .. I was offered the appointment in the Clerk's Office.
And even, if I were to seek an appointment to that office or any other office .. there is absolutely nothing
wrong with my doing so.


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DV you're just a trained seal cheer leading for every Dem project that comes along in hopes that the party will throw you a fish.
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Quoted from Shadow
DV you're just a trained seal cheer leading for every Dem project that comes along in hopes that the party will throw you a fish.


I never asked for anything from the Democratic party nor do I expect anything from it.


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You are alleging that he violated the law ... and since you are not the judge and jury on the matter --
I leave that up to those who are qualified and legally responsible to make the determination about whether a law was violated or not.

In the meantime, I don't believe that Mayor Stratton should resign ... and if he seeks reelection -- as I said
earlier .. it will be up to the voters to decide whether they want him to be mayor for another 4 years.  

Fortunately, we live in a democracy and not some lunatic twilight zone where the 2 people -- you and Pat Z
wear collanders on their head with aluminum foil antennas .. and get to think they are dictators who can
stamp their feet, yell and shout nasty things about others -- and have their way just because they (you) are
spoiled little brats.


I didn't know you were a fan of Weird (political) Science Ron. (Your're getting Rod Sterling mixed up with John Hughes but then again, I can see why you'd do that. It must be quite a twilight zone for you in the quest of creating the perfect woman.) But then again, I guess it fits along with the marshmello man theme.

Actually (former) Mayor Stratton DID violate the law, big time. He violated at least four (4) penal codes while Farstad appears only to be complicit in Conspiracy (5th degree).

I've read through a couple other posts and I have to make a small correction. When Stratton took that payraise, the council giving him the raise didn't do that illegally. They wrote up a law that was SUBJECT to a permissive referendum and the city corporation counsel (now mysteriously out with full pay on heart attacl symptoms) never made that part of the law, so we didn't know about it initially.

What it did was give the COUNCIL the ability to give themselves and anyone else they wanted to, a raise at any time. In order to lower a salary that has to go to a mandatory referendum. Something that Gary McCarthy incorrectly told the citizens that could be done.

In any case, Ron, when you buy a house in Schenectady, pay the outrageous taxes, deal with non-responsive cops, have your water and sewer pipes break in the next neighborhood, can't send your kids to the city schools because of the gangs, fights, bullying, etc, then you will understand that people who strive for transparency in our government are not spoiled little brats.

However, adults who live with their family while contributing only to their own small selfish lives, are spoiled brats. Could you have gotten things a little confused? Mixed up? Oh my, you did get too close to the fire. Your brains (if you had any to begin with) have melted.

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I didn't know you were a fan of Weird (political) Science Ron. (Your're getting Rod Sterling mixed up with John Hughes but then again, I can see why you'd do that. It must be quite a twilight zone for you in the quest of creating the perfect woman.) But then again, I guess it fits along with the marshmello man theme.

Actually (former) Mayor Stratton DID violate the law, big time. He violated at least four (4) penal codes while Farstad appears only to be complicit in Conspiracy (5th degree).

I've read through a couple other posts and I have to make a small correction. When Stratton took that payraise, the council giving him the raise didn't do that illegally. They wrote up a law that was SUBJECT to a permissive referendum and the city corporation counsel (now mysteriously out with full pay on heart attacl symptoms) never made that part of the law, so we didn't know about it initially.

What it did was give the COUNCIL the ability to give themselves and anyone else they wanted to, a raise at any time. In order to lower a salary that has to go to a mandatory referendum. Something that Gary McCarthy incorrectly told the citizens that could be done.

In any case, Ron, when you buy a house in Schenectady, pay the outrageous taxes, deal with non-responsive cops, have your water and sewer pipes break in the next neighborhood, can't send your kids to the city schools because of the gangs, fights, bullying, etc, then you will understand that people who strive for transparency in our government are not spoiled little brats.

However, adults who live with their family while contributing only to their own small selfish lives, are spoiled brats. Could you have gotten things a little confused? Mixed up? Oh my, you did get too close to the fire. Your brains (if you had any to begin with) have melted.



You confirmed my previously held belief that you are just as much of an a**hole as the other
Nattering Nayboobs of Negativity.


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"A tough NEW line against pension abuse"?-lol-What a crock from the Gazetto editors on their pathetic "Mayor For Life". Who's life? Mayor SOS is crashing and burning faster than SS Savage. OT for Department heads is illegal unless approved by the rubber stamp City Council. Since the City Council never approved this-IT WAS ILLEGAL. Stop splitting hairs. You don't have to be Perry Mason to figure this out.

     The good news is that DEMS are finally fed up with this horrible Mayor. He is an embarrassment and the rumbling are getting louder-almost audible. City Council "leaders" are running towards the exits. They don't want to lose 35 years of City patronage and featherbedding. Screw the City taxpayers and the few reformers demanding accountability. The party must be protected. He will be thrown under the bus at the appropriate time.
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In any case, Ron, when you buy a house in Schenectady, pay the outrageous taxes, deal with non-responsive cops, have your water and sewer pipes break in the next neighborhood, can't send your kids to the city schools because of the gangs, fights, bullying, etc, then you will understand that people who strive for transparency in our government are not spoiled little brats.


Most people don't have a clue what goes on in the city of schenectady. The newspapers fail to report the details of what real life is like in the city. The surrounding suburbia towns have assumed that the city just consists of the 2 blocks of state street. They are wising up very quickly.

Not only do the folks from the surrounding suburbia towns feel unsafe driving through the city, they also notice that the 'crap' is spilling over into their towns.


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The only time I feel unsafe in Schenectady is when PatZ is having one of her hysterical fits.


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How about taking that walk from Albany St to Bridge St about midnite if you're so brave.
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