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Box A Rox
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Before President obama took office, every modern president saw 80% or more of his judicial nominees confirmed.
~ President Reagan's confirmation rate was 93 percent.
~ President Clinton's was 83 percent
~ Even President George W. Bush, who whined incessantly that his judges were not being confirmed fast enough, saw nearly 87 percent of his judges confirmed.

~ Obama's confirmation rate is a dismal 47 percent.
The raw numbers are just as bad. At this point in the Bush Administration, 72 judges were confirmed, compared to only 40 for Obama. Nominees who were unanimously approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee are nonetheless blocked by GOP filibusters and holds. For the first time in history, Senate Republicans are even filibustering district court nominees, even though these judges spend most of their time handling more routine manners such as trial schedules and sentencing and have never, ever been controversial in the past.

How do you spell "OBSTRUCTIONISM"?
Easy... "GOP"!


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Tell me again - who's got the majority in BOTH houses?  How many times in the past 18 months have there been a true filibuster that succeeded?  
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the GOP's strategy is obstruction through abuse of Senate RULES; through routine FILIBUSTERS and HOLDS, Republican senators have kept dozens of judicial nominees from leaving committee or even coming to a vote.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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the GOP's strategy is obstruction through abuse of Senate RULES; through routine FILIBUSTERS and HOLDS, Republican senators have kept dozens of judicial nominees from leaving committee or even coming to a vote.


Ok, please show me one, and how it was done, in the last 18 months. Or for that matter the past 24 or 36 months when they had a hold on both houses, under a rep AND a dem president.
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Republicans in the Senate are using filibusters and holds at an unprecedented rate. And it is nearly impossible to break the filibusters and holds on Obama’s nominees.

Although a supermajority of senators can break a filibuster, once a filibuster is broken Senate rules still permit up to 30 hours of floor debate before taking a vote.  Presently, 48 of President Obama’s judicial nominees await confirmation.  At 30 hours per nominee, the Senate would have to spend 1,440 hours—60 entire days—to act on each of these nominations.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/07/judicial_confirmations.html


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Somebody's got to put the brakes on this radical socialist train.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Somebody's got to put the brakes on this radical socialist train.


To change the course of the administration Bumble, you have to win elections.  What you call "radical socialist" IS the will of the people.  The opposition was well represented in McCain/Palin, and lost.



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It's not my will and for most who thought that it was theirs 18 months ago.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Elections have consequences!

~There are 4300 dead American patriots who were killed in Bush's oil war in Iraq. Consequences of the 2000 election.
~The Bush Economic Meltdown... Consequences of GWB winning elections.
~Americans will have health care... Consequences of the 2008 election.

Many people are not satisfied with Obama's performance as President... that usually happens in most first terms and most presidents numbers fall off the first 12-18 months.
But.
If that election were held again today... Obama would still win election against McCain.
2012 may be a different story.


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With his approval numbers hitting new lows it’s no surprise that Barack Obama’s numbers in our monthly look ahead to the 2012 Presidential race are their worst ever this month. He trails Mitt Romney 46-43, Mike Huckabee 47-45, Newt Gingrich 46-45, and is even tied with Sarah Palin at 46. The only person tested he leads is Jan Brewer, who doesn’t have particularly high name recognition on the national level at this point.

It’s not that any of the Republican candidates are particularly well liked. Only Huckabee has positive favorability numbers at 37/28. Romney’s at 32/33, Gingrich at 32/42, Palin at 37/52, and Brewer at 17/20. But with a majority of Americans now disapproving of Obama it’s no surprise that a large chunk of them would replace him as President if they had that choice today.

There are two things driving these strong poll numbers for the Republican candidates. The first is a lead with independents in every match up. Romney leads 48-35 with them, Gingrich is up 50-39, Huckabee has a 46-40 advantage, Palin’s up 47-42, and even Brewer has a 38-37 edge. This was posted on July 15, 2010
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Republicans in the Senate are using filibusters and holds at an unprecedented rate. And it is nearly impossible to break the filibusters and holds on Obama’s nominees.

Although a supermajority of senators can break a filibuster, once a filibuster is broken Senate rules still permit up to 30 hours of floor debate before taking a vote.  Presently, 48 of President Obama’s judicial nominees await confirmation.  At 30 hours per nominee, the Senate would have to spend 1,440 hours—60 entire days—to act on each of these nominations.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/07/judicial_confirmations.html


Nice OPINION - but show me SPECIFICALLY - what filibusters have stopped a nomination
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But.
If that election were held again today... Obama would still win election against McCain.
2012 may be a different story.


I don't know if McCain would win or not with the country so split. Although I have to say that McCain wasn't a strong candidate with or without palin.
I guess the best part of obama is that it woke people up from their complacent stupor. People are actually READING the constitution. What a concept! Perhaps in 2012 the electorate will THINK once and THINK twice before they pull that lever.


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They don't have to STOP a nomination... just delay it enough and tie it up enough that a vote doesn't take place for a day, a week or a month.

The president usually has a list of potential candidates from which he makes his choice. The list includes suggestions from the senators who represent each state, although the recommendations of senators from the president's own party usually carry more weight.

The nomination is then sent to the Senate and assigned to the Judiciary Committee. The committee chairman, will then set a hearing date, and after that a vote. Assuming the nominee survives the committee vote  the nomination then goes to the full Senate.

While nominees only need a simple majority (51 votes) to win confirmation, the opposition can extend debate on a nominee and force a cloture vote (a vote to end debate). Cloture requires 60 votes (three-fifths of the Senate).

The implicit threat to filibuster, known as "placing a hold" on a particular bill or nominee, is a common tactic to slow or derail a given proposal or individual.

As stated in the original post... slowing down a vote or delaying a vote weather by rules, or by filibuster is a delaying tactic in hopes of eliminating desired appointments by constant delay.  Tie enough nominations, even if a filibuster loses, and you've delayed the process, sometimes for months.

Example:
At this point in the Bush Administration, 72 judges were confirmed, compared to only 40 for Obama.


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They don't have to STOP a nomination... just delay it enough and tie it up enough that a vote doesn't take place for a day, a week or a month.

The president usually has a list of potential candidates from which he makes his choice. The list includes suggestions from the senators who represent each state, although the recommendations of senators from the president's own party usually carry more weight.

The nomination is then sent to the Senate and assigned to the Judiciary Committee. The committee chairman, will then set a hearing date, and after that a vote. Assuming the nominee survives the committee vote  the nomination then goes to the full Senate.

While nominees only need a simple majority (51 votes) to win confirmation, the opposition can extend debate on a nominee and force a cloture vote (a vote to end debate). Cloture requires 60 votes (three-fifths of the Senate).

The implicit threat to filibuster, known as "placing a hold" on a particular bill or nominee, is a common tactic to slow or derail a given proposal or individual.

As stated in the original post... slowing down a vote or delaying a vote weather by rules, or by filibuster is a delaying tactic in hopes of eliminating desired appointments by constant delay.  Tie enough nominations, even if a filibuster loses, and you've delayed the process, sometimes for months.

Example:
At this point in the Bush Administration, 72 judges were confirmed, compared to only 40 for Obama.


Just as I thought, you can't provide one actual example - just opinion, speculation and theory.

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Just as I thought, you can't provide one actual example - just opinion, speculation and theory.


Really MT... This is kind of childish.

U.S. District Judge David Hamilton of Indiana,
The vote to end the fillibuster which was led by Sen Jeff Sessions, was 70-29.

The original vote on Judge Hamilton's nomination was set for April 2009 before a threat of filibuster by Sen Sessions.  The closure vote ended the filibuster and nominated Judge Hamilton November16, 2009.

OK MT??? ... How many more do you need?  Kind of silly isn't it?






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