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~As directed:
WARNING. DRINKING WINE, BEER AND OTHER ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES DURING PREGNANCY CAN CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS.

~In moderation:
Drinking in moderation is defined as having no more than 1 drink per day for women and no more than 2 drinks per day for men. This definition is referring to the amount consumed on any single day and is not intended as an average over several days.

(US Center for Disease Control)



So, it's "ok" to drink at times when you're not pregnant?  I'm still looking for the "directions" on "how to use". Do the directions say "1 drink a day? 2? 10?" - and in what quantity/quality?
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Smokers are more than twice as likely to develop Alzheimer's Disease as people who have never smoked, according to new research.

The study - the largest ever of its kind and the first major research to look at people before they develop Alzheimer's - followed 6,870 men and women aged 55 and over.

A total of 146 people developed dementia during the course of the study, with 105 being diagnosed as having Alzheimer's.

People who smoked were found to be 2.3 times more likely to develop Alzheimer's than those who had never smoked.

(BBC News)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/115829.stm


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If you drink alcohol, drink in moderation. That means no more than one drink per day if you're a woman and two drinks per day if you're a man.

One drink is defined as:
1.5oz (80Proof Liquor)
5oz wine
12oz wine cooler
12oz beer


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You said, "if used as directed" - I'm asking WHERE are the directions?  Certainly you have a source for the directions - ATF? CDC? OSHA?
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(The US Centers For Disease Control & Prevention)

Alcohol-Related Public Health Objectives and Guidelines:
The majority of American adults consume alcohol. Those who do so should drink alcoholic beverages in moderation. Moderation is defined as the consumption of up to one drink per day for women and up to two drinks per day for men. Twelve fluid ounces of regular beer, 5 fluid ounces of wine, or 1.5 fluid ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits count as one drink for purposes of explaining moderation. This definition of moderation is not intended as an average over several days but rather as the amount consumed on any single day.

http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/chapter9.htm


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"In human studies, reported performance improvements with post-trial administration of nicotine have all involved associated learning (Mangan and Golding l883; Colrain et al, l992; Warburton et al, l992).... Nicotine improves performance by increasing the attentional resources available for such strategic processing," [Rusted JM, et al, "Facilitation of memory by post-trial administration of nicotine: evidence for attentional explanation," Psychopharmacology, 108(4):452-5, l992].

"1. Nicotine improves attention in a wide variety of tasks in healthy volunteers. 2. Nicotine improves immediate and longer-term memory in healthy volunteers. 3. Nicotine improves attention in patients with probable Alzheimer's Disease," [Warburton D M, "Nicotine as a cognitive enhancer," Progress in Neuro-Psychopharmacology and Biological Psychiatry, 16(2): 181-91, Mar l992]

"Researchers observed lessening of tic frequency and severity 3 minutes after subjects chewed [nicotine] gum, even more so at 10 minutes." [Rickards E H, "Nicotine gum in Tourette's disorder," American Journal of Psychiatry, 149(3):417, Mar l992. Note: the subjects were all children with Tourette's disorder].

"In humans, nicotine-induced improvement of rapid information processing is particularly well documented.... Preliminary studies have found that some aspects of the cognitive deficit in Alzheimer's disease can be attenuated by nicotine." [Levin E D, "Nicotinic systems and cognitive function," Psychopharmacology, 108(4):417-31, l992]

"Improvement in attention, learning, reaction time, and problem solving have been reported.... Different processes, including attention, stimulus evaluation, and response selection, appear to be involved in the effect of nicotine on human information processing." [Le Houezec J, Benowitz N L, "Basic and clinical psychopharmacology of nicotine," Clinics in Chest Medicine, 12(4):681-99, Dec l991].

"Despite the absence of change in memory functioning, these results demonstrate that DAT [Alzheimer's disease] patients have significant perceptual and visual attentional deficits which are improved by nicotine administration." [Jones G M, Sahakian B J, et al, "Effects of acute subcutaneous nicotine on attention, information processing and short-term memory in Alzheimer's disease," Psychopharmacology, 108(4):485-94, l992].

"When you look at people who smoke, and people who don't smoke...you find those who smoke cigarettes are about half as likely to get Parkinson's disease." [Dr. David Morens of the University of Hawaii School of Public Health as quoted in "Stunned docs discover cigarettes stop Parkinson's," by Roger Field, New York Post, 6/15/95. Dr. Morens and colleagues examined 34 studies on smoking and Parkinson's. Their study was published in the June, l995 issue of Neurology].

According to a study conducted at Surrey University and published in the journal Psychopharmacology, smokers are more mentally alert at night than non-smokers. Rosemary Brook, spokeswoman for Surrey University's psychopharmacology unit, said, "The results showed that smokers were subsequently able to perform various tests of reaction, memory recall and other related tasks consistently better than the non-smokers," [Reported on the BBC News, 4/8/98, "Cigarettes 'keep you sharp after dark'."

In a presentation at the 151st annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association (June 8, l998 in Toronto), Dr. Paul Newhouse of the University of Vermont reported on his research on treating Parkinson's disease with nicotine. "Preliminary analysis shows improvements after acute nicotine administration in several areas of cognitive performance." These areas included reaction time and central processing speed. The researchers also reported that after chronic use of nicotine on Parkinson's patients, motor function and the ability to move also improved. [Reported by Reuters, 6/8/98, "Nicotine patch promising for Parkinson's"].

"The influence of smoking on the risk of developing ulcerative colitis is well documented. Compared with lifetime nonsmokers, the risk is reduced in smokers...." [Tysk C, Jarnerot G, "Has smoking changed the epidemiology of ulcerative colitis?" Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 27(6):508-12, Jun l992].

"When association between cigarette smoking and UC [ulcerative colitis] are examined, never-smokers are approximately three times more likely to develop UC than smokers. A consistent finding from study to study is that quitters have a mildly increased risk of developing UC which suggests that cigarette smoking may have a protective effect," [Lashner B A, "Inflammatory bowel disease: family patterns and risk factors," Comprehensive Therapy, 18(:2-4, Aug l992].

"It is beyond doubt that smokers are protected against ulcerative colitis, and the more that is smoked the greater the protection--so those on 25 cigarettes a day or more have a risk as little as one-tenth that of non-smokers," (Dr. Martin Osbourne, surgeon at the Royal Free Hospital in London, as quoted in the Daily Telegraph, 9/7/93).

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Hey Chris... Knock yourself out!  Smoke till your lungs fall out, it's OK with me!  You can take the obscure results of some English doctor... (there were similar "feel good" results of studies paid for by the tobacco companies).

I prefer to take the Vast Majority of results of The American cancer institute, The US Center for Disease Control, The American Heart Association... ETC ETC ETC!

You may be right... there are people that still believe in UFO's, The Bermuda Triangle and that Obama was born in Kenya!  Who Knows??? You may be RIGHT!

Good Luck!


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Cool, the CDC says 1-2 drinks a day. Not bad. As soon as I finish here, I'll go for a drive.
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Hey Chris... Knock yourself out!  Smoke till your lungs fall out, it's OK with me!  You can take the obscure results of some English doctor... (there were similar "feel good" results of studies paid for by the tobacco companies).

I prefer to take the Vast Majority of results of The American cancer institute, The US Center for Disease Control, The American Heart Association... ETC ETC ETC!






but you like england so much w/ their healthcare???  





By no means do I condone smoking, and you would be hard pressed to find anyone that does.

HOWEVER -  i believe that people can make choices for themselves as long as their actions do not effect anyone else's life

where as you, would rather dictate,tax, and ban anything you disagree with.

I enjoy a good cigar, a cold beer, a greasey cheeseburger, and a sugar laden donut just like any other red blooded american.  I indulge in these "sins" in moderation  and my actions do not impede anyone else's life.  you should be fighting to keep govt out of your life, wallet, and doctors office.
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Read this first:
"The 0.08 Alcohol Concentration Limit"

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/aclimit.pdf

"You will find The Estimated Alcohol Concentration Levels by Number of Drinks
for a 175 Pound Man"


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I AM fighting to "Keep the Govt Out of MY Life" and my wallet. (I also fight to keep the Smokers out too).

I find that Conservatives will holler and scream to keep "Govt out of their Life"... as long as it meets their purposes.

Keep Govt out of everyones "Reproductive Rights!"
Keep Govt out of everyones "Sexual Preference and Marriage Rights"
Keep Govt out of everyones " Religious Rights" (Including our right not to have a religion inflicted upon us, or tax dollars for a religion.


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Read this first:
"The 0.08 Alcohol Concentration Limit"

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/aclimit.pdf

"You will find The Estimated Alcohol Concentration Levels by Number of Drinks
for a 175 Pound Man"


What happens in MN means little to me .. but, I did peruse your document, hoping to find some phrase that says "use as directed" -- so I searched for the word "directed" and oops, didn't turn up (except for "investigating officers are both directed and able to be much more thorough in obtaining alcohol concentration tests of drivers")

Alcohol consumption affects everyone differently and some people may think they have a higher tolerance for the than others. But the reality is any amount of alcohol can impair your judgment when you are operating a motor vehicle.

So, I'm trying to understand.

Tobacco use, or misuse cause you to lose money because your health insurance premiums are higher, right?

So what about the drunk drivers that cause your car insurance premiums to rise?

Even when no one is hurt or killed, drunk driving can have a tremendous cost.
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If you go way back to post 30, you'll see both "AS DIRECTED" & "IN MODERATION".  One is often as important as the other, along with the often heard... "DRINK RESPONSIBLY"!

You are responsible for your actions weather drunk or sober... drinking is no excuse for irresponsible behavior.


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SALAMANCA, N.Y. (AP) - Seneca businesses have gotten some relief from a federal judge in New York who ordered a temporary halt to a new law that bans the shipment of cigarettes through the mail.

Federal District Judge Richard Arcara ruled Monday in favor of Seneca tobacco business owner Aaron Pierce by granting a temporary restraining order. The new law would have taken effect Tuesday.

Seneca-owned businesses dominate the discount mail-order cigarette industry. Tribal leaders say the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act will gut the nation's $100 million a year tobacco economy and eliminate 3,000 jobs held by workers in and outside the tribe.


http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12729567
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New tax slumps cigarette sales

Last Update: 3:15 pm


There is a slump in cigarette sales across New York ever since the tax on them was raised just six weeks ago.

The New York Association of Convenience Stores says most stores saw a drop of around 30 percent.


Stores closer to Indian reservations and the state border saw a loss of around 45 percent.


Sales at Indian reservations and out of state outlets were found to be up by as much as 300 percent.


Paterson is set to sign a tax fairness bill next month that would allow the state to collect taxes on Native American sales of cigarettes to non-Indian customers.

http://www.fox23news.com/news/.....qP6ai-pw.cspx?rss=39
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