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bumblethru
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You must have forgotten Mr. Gawlas, that the illegals are viewed as victims. Victims of capitalism. Ya know, the capitalistic system that drew them here to begin with. The system our present administration is trying to destroy! Hey, without capitalism.....no one will want to come here any more!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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You must have forgotten Mr. Gawlas, that the illegals are viewed as victims. Victims of capitalism. Ya know, the capitalistic system that drew them here to begin with. The system our present administration is trying to destroy! Hey, without capitalism.....no one will want to come here any more!


Oh the form of capitalism where millions of people lost their homes? Yeah...that's a great system.

To the article, I have no problem getting illegal immigrants out of the country,  It is HOW people are treated is the problem. Tea-party members especially should be against this because it was an open door to run over the 4th amendment.

Oh wait...Tea Party members are whites....yeah police aren't stopping them and asking for their papers.
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...capitalism is freedom, and yes it is even freedom to fail, screw up, buy a house that goes down in value, one you can't afford once you fill it with crap from Rentacenter and Home Depot, and one that can be foreclosed on if you chose not to read in your mortgage contract that your rate may go up.

Ms. Finklestein, your beloved soicialism will have everyone living in brick quadplexes with the same equal colored roof, the same grey outfits on their same equal backs, and the same chance for creativity and success with even the lowest of achievers. How wonderfully Eastern Bloc. I will take freedom and CAPITALISM and a representative republic any day over and all-intrusive and controlling government, the kind your grandparents ran away from in Eastern Europe. I choose the economic freedom that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson practiced and preferred rather than the "safety net" that your uncle Karl Marx schemed up as a way to enslave billions. So take your socialism and stick it up your as$, and keep your greedy, government hands off of what is mine and that I earned through my own ingenuity and hard work WITHOUT the Goddamn neo-Catholic /Social Services/Socialistic Safety net that you people want to jam down my throat.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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The Finklestein comment...is that some kind of anti-Semitic reference?
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Oh the form of capitalism where millions of people lost their homes? Yeah...that's a great system.


Come on stein....I thought you were smarter than that. The banks gave homes to the people who were unqualified, without down payments on the 'orders' from the clinton administration aka fannie mae and freddie mac. If the banks didn't conform, their FDIC backing and loan privileges would be taken away!

Don't believe me? Just ask the people in the capitalist banking industry.

Steiny....it was the government that caused the same people who could have never afforded their homes.... to lose them! AND THAT MY CYBER FRIEND IS A FACT!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Come on stein....I thought you were smarter than that. The banks gave homes to the people who were unqualified, without down payments on the 'orders' from the clinton administration aka fannie mae and freddie mac. If the banks didn't conform, their FDIC backing and loan privileges would be taken away!

Don't believe me? Just ask the people in the capitalist banking industry.

Steiny....it was the government that caused the same people who could have never afforded their homes.... to lose them! AND THAT MY CYBER FRIEND IS A FACT!!!


Bumble, I'm not debating that part of the mess.  But Goldman and Sachs? That is capitalism as an evil, as is Monsanto.  
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Bumble, I'm not debating that part of the mess.  But Goldman and Sachs? That is capitalism as an evil, as is Monsanto.  


Debating that part of the mess was the CAUSE of the mess!!! Goldman Sachs and other investment companies invested in these phony loans. Did they know they were investing in bad debts? Who knows!

But here is what freedom and capitalism is.....after all of this BS, people are still free enough to be stupid enough to continue to invest their life savings with these risky wall street/government investments. Businesses/corporations are still free to be stupid enough to invest their employee's earnings with these risky investments.

Even now.......the global wall street market is just as artificially inflated as the housing market was. It was inflated by OUR TAX DOLLAR! I, personally, am investing in the global wall street through my tax dollars and I didn't even sign on the dotted line.

It's all a game. A game that you nor I are privy to. We are just a casualty ready to happen!



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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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It's unfortunate that this issue has not been addressed, with a resolve, by the last couple of administrations up to the present. Does anyone know if being an illegal is a civil offense or a federal offense?


Does anyone know if HIRING  and illegal alien is a civil or federal offense ?


Oneida Elementary K-2  Yates 3-6
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Does anyone know if HIRING  and illegal alien is a civil or federal offense ?


I doubt it is really looked after.  Companies hire illegals as day laborers and law enforcement agrees to only arrest so many a week in some places. Food Inc is a great documentary about how food is made and they cover that topic.
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The Finklestein comment...is that some kind of anti-Semitic reference?


German actually. Like your name.



"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Good. Some common sense in one corner of our liberal idiotic-leaning nation. The girls that voted for Obama will never understand how we are slitting our own throat, but a few people may be waking up. Just a few.


hmmmmmm.......hmmmmmm....what do you mean???? pecker head???????????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The whole system IS generational.......be comfortable=do nothing..........as long as everyone looks like you(no one bothers with the acts/knows) then it's
OK....as long as the 'GOD FATHER' says it is.....pathetic......religion has lost it's 'pure' influence and the politicos are at a loss.....they all sound like
schmucks......TOO BAD....... we reap what we sow.....and here we are...........shallow as ever......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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German actually. Like your name.



Sure...use a well known Jewish name to throw some insults at me.  
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Assistant Homeland Security Secretary John Morton is currently head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Illegal Immigration is a civil offense!

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“The immigration laws are civil in nature,” Morton said. “There are criminal immigration offenses but mainly they are misdemeanors in most instances, although a lot are serious felonies. For example, if you enter the country on a visa and you overstay your visa, that is a civil but not a criminal offense. There is some overlap. Sometimes you are here unlawfully and you’re also guilty of a crime. But it is not one to one.”


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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FrankenSTEIN, FinkleSTEIN just like the SS stormtroopers you think government agents should and could be. The One thing I fault the greatest generation for is not killing enough of those sonsofbitches when they had the chance. Now we have a government trying to BE the next Reich with their heavy government hand, and democraps like you want that to come true.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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