This is just another fine example of what the mentality is in government. But hey....they get voted in. Doesn't say much for the electorate, does it?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Received this via Email - it's not on snopes, nor can I verify via the web - but I'll put it here for conversation
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Before any more 'outrage' at the Arizona law . . . read what it's like from the other side of the fence...
Received the following from Tom O'Malley, who was a Director with S.W. BELL in Mexico City: "I spent five years working in Mexico . I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval. "During that six months our Mexican and U.S. attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a 'FM3'. It was in addition to my U.S. passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same, except hers did not permit her to work. "To apply for the FM3, I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies): 1. Birth certificate for Barbara and me. 2. Marriage certificate. 3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation. 4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation. 5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year. 6. A letter from the St. Louis Chief of Police indicating that I had no arrest record in the U.S. and no outstanding warrants and, was "a citizen in good standing". 7. "Finally, I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico . We called it our 'I am the greatest person on Earth' letter. It was fun to write."
"All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations, and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side & Spanish on the right." "Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours, accompanied by a Mexican attorney, touring Mexican government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times at each location, and we remember at least four locations where we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by U.S. Customs in Laredo , Texas . This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid." "We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law." "We were required to get a Mexican driver's license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their photography and fingerprint equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our U.S. license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was to never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back. "
"We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually." "The FM3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees." "Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs." "It was a real adventure and if any of our Senators or Congressmen went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico ." "The Mexican government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their capitol or government offices, but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The U.S. Embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican military surrounds the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on U.S. or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas ." Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on the illegals.
EL PASO - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott today demanded that President Obama send more troops to the Texas-Mexico border and used the shots that hit El Paso City Hall as an example of increased violence on the border.
Abbott said in a letter that the seven shots that hit City Hall in El Paso were an example of the violence that is plaguing the border area and that sending 1,200 National Guard soldiers to the entire U.S.-Mexico border is not enough.
He also cited the violence in Juarez and said that Americans lives are at risk.
"More than 1,300 people have been murdered in Juárez this year as a war continues relentlessly between the Juárez and Sinaloa drug cartels," he told Obama.
All the violent gringos have been rioting and causing problems so Obama better step in...
You should be happy that with Obama a President- the number of deportations each year have more than tripled during the Bush era -- and has kept going up since then. During fiscal year 2009, the first fiscal year of the Obama era, 387,790 immigrants were deported -- almost 100,000 more during the last full fiscal year of the Bush presidency-
You should be happy that with Obama a President- the number of deportations each year have more than tripled during the Bush era -- and has kept going up since then. During fiscal year 2009, the first fiscal year of the Obama era, 387,790 immigrants were deported -- almost 100,000 more during the last full fiscal year of the Bush presidency-
dont worry- be happy
Hmm - As of February 2010, DHS has only released 2008 statistics. Where did you find 2009 statistics? I'm not seeing it on the DHS website http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtm
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U.S. deportations double over 10 years by Kyung Jin Lee Feb 23, 2010
Source: Office of Immigration Statistics/Department of Homeland's 2008 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics
The United States almost doubled the deportation rate of foreign nationals over a 10-year span, according to the Department of Homeland Security’s statistical yearbook.
Chicago immigration attorney Salvador Cicero said in recent years he has seen a greater number of immigrants stopped by local police for frivolous reasons, like obstruction of view in a car because of a crucifix hanging on the rearview mirror.
“And through this mechanism [the police] would stop people, and many times they would illegally search [immigrants’] cars and thereafter ask them for their legal status and detain them,” Cicero said. “And then they would end up in immigration custody.”
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In 2008, the last year for which Homeland Security has released figures, more than 90 percent of the almost 359,000 total deportees were sent to either North or Central America.
Mexican nationals have had the highest rate of removals throughout the decade, making up more than 80 percent of total deportations in 1999. However, this share dropped to about 70 percent in 2008, with other nationalities making up more of the total.
July 06, 2010 Justice Department Files Suit Against Arizona Immigration Law
Accusing Arizona of trying to "second guess" the federal government, the Justice Department on Tuesday filed a lawsuit challenging the state's immigration policy -- claiming the "invalid" law interferes with federal immigration responsibilities and "must be struck down."
Accusing Arizona of trying to "second guess" the federal government, the Justice Department on Tuesday filed a lawsuit challenging the state's immigration policy -- claiming the "invalid" law interferes with federal immigration responsibilities and "must be struck down."
The suit names the state of Arizona as well as Gov. Jan Brewer as defendants. In it, the Justice Department claims the federal government has "preeminent authority" on immigration enforcement and that the Arizona law "disrupts" that balance. It urges the U.S. District Court in Arizona to "preliminarily and permanently" prohibit the state from enforcing the law, which is scheduled to go into effect at the end of the month.
"Arizonans are understandably frustrated with illegal immigration, and the federal government has a responsibility to comprehensively address those concerns," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a written statement. "But diverting federal resources away from dangerous aliens such as terrorism suspects and aliens with criminal records will impact the entire country's safety."
Holder also warned of "a patchwork of state laws" that "will only create more problems than it solves."
Brewer responded by accusing the Obama administration of a "massive waste of taxpayer funds."
"It is wrong that our own federal government is suing the people of Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law. As a direct result of failed and inconsistent federal enforcement, Arizona is under attack from violent Mexican drug and immigrant smuggling cartels," she said in a written statement. "Now, Arizona is under attack in federal court from President Obama and his Department of Justice."
She went on to point out "the irony" of suing Arizona for its immigration enforcement law but ignoring cities and other local governments whose "patchwork local ‘sanctuary’ policies instruct the police not to cooperate with federal immigration officials."
The Justice Department's lawsuit argues the state law focuses only on getting rid of illegal immigrants and "ignores" other immigration objectives.
"The United States Constitution forbids Arizona from supplanting the federal government's immigration regime with its own state-specific immigration policy," the suit says. "A policy that, in purpose and effect, interferes with the numerous interests the federal government must balance." ..................>>>>.................>>>>....................http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/justice-department-file-suit-arizona-early-tuesday/
I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when: 1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment. 4. When filling out a credit card or loan application. 5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport. 6. When applying for any kind of insurance. 7. When filling out college applications. 8. When donating blood. 9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.
I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day!
Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!
Go ARIZONA !!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when: 1. Pulled over by the police. 2. Making purchases on my department store credit card. 3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment. 4. When filling out a credit card or loan application. 5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport. 6. When applying for any kind of insurance. 7. When filling out college applications. 8. When donating blood. 9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs. 10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state. 11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel. Blah Blah Blah...There are reasons you need to show an ID for these events...
But when SB1070 takes effect,
You must show Your ID when: 1.You walk down the street. 2.Walk your dog. 3.Sit on your front porch. 4.Go for a swim...(Waterproof ID?) 5.Sit naked in a steam bath...(Worse than waterproof ID) 6.Scuba dive 7.Weed your garden. 8.Sleep in your own bed. 9.Help an old lady across the street 10. In other words, you will be breaking the law if you EVER don't carry an ID. (So much for the Constitution)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box you had better read the law b4 you try and convince anyone that you know what your talking about because the law does not say that at all. Update for you Box the government isn't using racial profiling as the reason they object to the AZ law in their lawsuit.
~"We cannot fully secure the border unless we take pressure off the border--and that requires a temporary worker program. We should establish a legal and orderly path for foreign workers to enter our country to work on a temporary basis. As a result, they won’t have to try to sneak in." (2007 State of the Union address to Congress Jan 23, 2007 ) And, ~"We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy, even though this economy could not function without them. All these are forms of economic retreat, and they lead in the same direction, toward a stagnant and second-rate economy." ( 2006 State of the Union Address Jan 31, 2006)
SEE!!! GWB isn't always wrong!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when: 1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment. 4. When filling out a credit card or loan application. 5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport. 6. When applying for any kind of insurance. 7. When filling out college applications. 8. When donating blood. 9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.
I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day!
Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!
Go ARIZONA !!!
You must show your ID ? ( for business transactions ) What ID do you carry with you THAT SAYS YOU ARE A CITIZEN ?- because that is the one that you will need to show the cop who asks you for it- not your drivers license- You need to prove where you are from- Wwho you are or where you live become incidental -
You must show your ID ? ( for business transactions ) What ID do you carry with you THAT SAYS YOU ARE A CITIZEN ?- because that is the one that you will need to show the cop who asks you for it- not your drivers license- You need to prove where you are from- Wwho you are or where you live become incidental -
Maybe you should just give up Professor ::Fail, k?
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With the increase in requirements for public security, the DMV frequently updates the list of acceptable proofs of identity and date of birth. Carefully read the forms referred to below. Make sure that you have the proof required before you apply for any DMV document. Proofs for enhanced driver license (EDLs) and enhanced non-driver photo ID cards (ENDIDs):
Proofs of Identity, U.S. Citizenship and NYS Residence (ID-44EDL)
Certification of Residence (MV-44NYR)
Proofs for regular driver licenses and non-driver photo ID cards:
Proofs of Identity for Learner Permit, Driver License, and Non-Driver ID Card (ID-44)
Other forms used for proof of identity: Statement of Identity and/or Residence by Parent/Guardian (MV-45)
Statement of Identity and/or Residence for Applicants Represented by Government or Government-Approved Facilities (MV-45A)
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