Really??? Bigot? Hitler? Arian Nation? You've already taken this to name calling? Sh!t, I wouldn't even be considered Arian since I am a mix of nationalities. I'm an American mongrel and proud of it.
How about you answer me this. Why would a person choose NOT to have children. And don't give me a canned "they feel they wouldn't make good parents" answer. That's a cop out. A real logical reason as to why. I'll betcha that in most cases it boils down to money or having a child takes away from their own neediness. Yes, narcissism!
But who cares? Why do you care? Why do people buy nice cars, or become accountants? Or buy designer clothes? Isn't all greed and desire to have nice things? People work hard to be proud of their work, but don't they also work to get money? Isn't that greedy? Is it greedy to do a lot of things, but that is just what drives humans. Why is it greedy if people don't want children? Maybe they are focused on their careers, careers that could be a doctor taking care of sick children. Is that person narcissistic?
You said it was cultural suicide if MT didn't pro-create. Explain that comment, it sure sounded defensive when your talking about Muslim culture.
You said it was cultural suicide if MT didn't pro-create. Explain that comment, it sure sounded defensive when your talking about Muslim culture.
Quit twisting my words. I said cultural suicide based on his post after watching the video. I found it ironic that somebody would say they were glad they didn't have kids, when the theme of the video is that the reason many European nations are going to be a majority muslim(which I would assume scares MT) is because the indigenous people of those nations are choosing not to have children.
And yes, if a doctor cannot balance his/her professional life and family life they are narcissistic. Doctors are trained to have no emotional attachment to their patients. So that's ultra narcissistic. That doctor would scare me.
Family is the building block of nations. If you take away all the materialistic offerings of modern society - careers, money, designer clothes, cars, ect, what are you left with?
anyone can be a parent....anyone can be a bad parent....anyone can be a good parent....and to be a parent the child does not have to come from your own loins.....
I just dont like when folks say..."you have to do it this way/that way."-----WHY?....the answer becomes an anchor for yourself also.....based on what scale(s).......
...and if anyone thinks that muslim women dont abort.....ya'll are livin' behind rose colored glasses.....the fact remains that if that women was found pregnant out of wedlock she would be killed....survival still reigns no matter how dangerous.....
and the blue-blooded Catholics of this nations didn't have abortions? bullcrap.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Baby boomers have long been considered the generation that did not want to grow up, perpetual adolescents even as they become eligible for Social Security. Now, a growing body of research shows that the real Peter Pans are not the boomers, but the generations that have followed. For many, by choice or circumstance, independence no longer begins at 21.
From the Obama administration’s new rule that allows children up to age 26 to remain on their parents’ health insurance to the large increase in the number of women older than 35 who have become first-time mothers, social scientists say young adulthood has undergone a profound shift.
People between 20 and 34 are taking longer to finish their educations, establish themselves in careers, marry, have children and become financially independent, said Frank F. Furstenberg, who leads the MacArthur Foundation Research Network on Transitions to Adulthood, a team of scholars who have been studying this transformation.
“A new period of life is emerging in which young people are no longer adolescents but not yet adults,” Mr. Furstenberg said.
National surveys reveal that an overwhelming majority of Americans, including younger adults, agree that between 20 and 22, people should be finished with school, working and living on their own. But in practice many people in their 20s and early 30s have not yet reached these traditional milestones.
Marriage and parenthood — once seen as prerequisites for adulthood — are now viewed more as lifestyle choices, according to a new report released by Princeton University and the Brookings Institution.
The stretched-out walk to independence is rooted in social and economic shifts that started in the 1970s, including a change from a manufacturing to a service-based economy that sent many more people to college, and the women’s movement, which opened up educational and professional opportunities.
Women account for more than half of college students and nearly half of the work force, which in turn has delayed motherhood and marriage.
Dr. Dora Hughes, 39, married last year and is pregnant with her first child. Dr. Hughes, who works for the Department of Health and Human Services in Washington, said she did not finish her education until she was 30, and so had always expected to marry later on in life. Most of her friends from college waited until their late 20s or 30s to marry as well, she said.
Dr. Hughes, who grew up in Chattanooga, Tenn., said, “My parents got married when they were 24, and my mother always said she thought marriage was hard work and thought it was better for women to wait till their 30s.”
“That probably did have an influence,” she added, since her mother always encouraged her to get an education and have a career.
For the first time, a majority of mothers, 54 percent, have a college education, up from 41 percent in 1990. “That is a huge change,” said Andrew J. Cherlin, a professor of sociology and public policy at Johns Hopkins University.
The median age for a first marriage was 23 in 1980; now it is 27 for men and 26 for women, the highest on record. A recent report by the Pew Research Center found that in the past two decades, a broad trend toward delaying motherhood that stretches across all races and ethnic and income groups has also taken hold.
“I was struck by the fact it increased in all ethnic groups,” said D’Vera Cohn, a co-author of the report, adding that it was evidence of the strength and breadth of this transformation in the life cycles of Americans.
For many, marriage has disappeared as a definition of traditional adulthood, as more and more younger people live together. Today 40 percent of births are to unmarried mothers, an increase from 28 percent in 1990.
At the same time, more women are remaining childless, either by choice or circumstance. Twenty percent of women in their 40s do not have children, Mr. Furstenberg said, pointing out that “not having children would have been considered bizarre or tragic in the ’50s; now it’s a lifestyle choice.”
Laura Tisdel, 28, who grew up in Detroit, said, “I figured I’d either get married in college or right after and basically be a smart mother.”
Instead Ms. Tisdel ended up getting a job offer in publishing in New York City. She said she came close to marrying when she was 23, but then realized, “I wasn’t only not ready to get married to this guy, but I wasn’t ready to get married at all.”
She recently got engaged. Her grandparents thought she was a “lesbian spinster” for waiting so long, she said, while her New York friends think she is too young to be marrying. Her parents, 53-year-old baby boomers who met at 14 and married at 21, told her not to be in a rush.
“The longer I waited to get married, the more reticent I became,” she said. She and her fiancé want children, but feel they are not yet ready. “We’re both nervous about what would be lost,” she said.
More schooling has meant that children have to rely on financial support from their parents. Adults between 18 and 34 received an average of $38,000 in cash and two years’ worth of full-time labor from their parents, or about 10 percent of their income, according to the MacArthur network.
Figures on how much parents spent 20 or 30 years ago are scarce, but Mr. Furstenberg said new research that he and a colleague, Sabino Kornrich, are working on shows that “prior to the 1990s, parents appeared to invest most in children in their teen years.
In the late 1990s, however, parents’ spending patterns began to shift so that the flow of money was greatest when their children were either very young or in their mid-20s.”
More people in their 20s are also living with their parents. About one-fourth of 25-year-old white men lived at home in 2007 — before the latest recession — compared with one-fifth in 2000 and less than one-eighth in 1970.
The sizable contribution from parents not only strains already stressed middle-class and poor families, researchers argue, but could also affect institutions that have traditionally supported young adults in this period, like nonresidential and community colleges and national service programs.
“We have not developed and strengthened institutions to serve young adults,” Mr. Furstenberg said, “because we’re still living with the archaic idea that people enter adulthood in their late teens or early 20s.”
This post is a long way from the original video post but...
The video seems to be just another SCARY video intent on eliciting a fear response, not a logical response. I used to read similar pieces on the scary Red China and their population taking over the world... today's bogey men are the Muslims. Take another look at the video... it discusses "fertility rate" as if there are no other factors affecting a countries population. Did they discuss 'infant mortality"? Did they discuss how many children born ever reach the age to reproduce in these countries? If, as the video suggests, Americans need to increase it's population, then the wave of illegal immigrants entering this country looking for jobs should be welcomed, not discouraged.
The earth has finite resources as does each country. Just picture what the USA would look like if we all went out and had 6 or 7 kids per family... a tripling or quadrupling our need for food, housing, schools and jobs.
This video is typical of the Religious intolerance and bigotry which is promoted by some politicians and talk shows. It preaches 'hate thy neighbor' and kill him before he kills you. Fear Fear Fear!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
How do you write a post discrediting the video with "intent on eliciting a fear response, not a logical response", with a fear/illogical post?
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The earth has finite resources as does each country. Just picture what the USA would look like if we all went out and had 6 or 7 kids per family... a tripling or quadrupling our need for food, housing, schools and jobs.
You allude in your post that if Americans had 6 or 7 kids per family it would put such a strain "food, housing, schools, and jobs" would have a net negative impact on America. As if procreation is a cancer on society. Remember when I said narcissistic? We survived the Boomer generation, and there is more food and schools than ever. If your fallacy argument were true, the boomer generation would have depleted our resources. I guess you do your own illogical fear mongering.
I can't help your poor comprehension if you didn't understand that the video was pointing out that a nation’s culture is unsustainable if the birth rate of that nation falls below I believe it is 2.3 children per family. If you begin filling that gap with 3rd world immigrants, over time, the culture of your nation will be steered by the beliefs (religious and other) and culture of the immigrating population. Hence - losing your nation as it once was. But seeing how you believe America and Americans are adherently bad, you probably don't mind.
Do you disagree with the quoted statement: "The earth has finite resources as does each country"? At some point we consume more than we can produce or replace... both as a country and as a world. An ever expanding population is guaranteed, at some point, to become unsustainable, and self destructive.
~"the video was pointing out that a nation’s culture is unsustainable if the birth rate of that nation falls below 2.3 children per family."~ The nations culture can sustain itself if the population increases, decreases or remains the same. An ever growing population by birth or by immigration is not necessary to 'sustain our culture'.
Did the USA maintain it's culture when Irish immigrants swarmed to the USA? The Irish were absorbed into our culture and our culture benefited. Italians by the thousands came to America... did they 'dilute ' our culture or add to it? Both groups were predominately Catholic, swarming into an America that was predominantly Protestant... did America win or lose by their assimilation? There were riots at the time in NYC aimed with a similar goal as this video... Religious hatred.
This video promotes hate towards Muslims... is that what you support? And ultimately Religious wars?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Do you disagree with the quoted statement: "The earth has finite resources as does each country"? At some point we consume more than we can produce or replace... both as a country and as a world. An ever expanding population is guaranteed, at some point, to become unsustainable, and self destructive.
No, the earth doesn't have finite resources. Most resources on earth in fact are renewable. As a matter of fact, as the population and life expectancy has increased globally, the food supply has not only kept pace, but exceeded the demand. Farmers are told to plow under fields to reduce supply. How can you make such a baseless comment like an ever expanding population is "guaranteed" to become unsustainable? At what point does it become unsustainable? 10 billion? 20 billion? 50 billion?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Throughout our nation's history, immigration has been limited and at times, practically closed off for periods in order to give the new immigrants time to assimilate. Even my own Italian ancestors assimilated, maybe not as fast as the more skilled, middle class Czech or German ancestors, but they did effectively Americanize in one generation. Would unlimited immigration have been beneficial? No. Be real.
Here is the problem with unfettered Islamic immigration- The islamic faith is inherently INTOLERANT of other faiths in its present radicalized state. And don't get me wrong, it hasn't always been radicalized. Just like in America, Muslims today have a generation or over-indulged, wealthy, educated spoiled brats with a too high standard of living, too much money (oil cash, generally) and too many elderly, radical 'professors' (called Imams there) who want to indoctrinate them into a destructive cult of Jihadism.
Here, they teach the kids to embrace Marxism in one form or another. There, they teach them radical Islam in the Madrassas. Liberal democraps are very cordial to it because it opposes Westernism and Americanism and is antithetical to freedom in a slightly differnt way than modern progressivism. But not too different. Yeah, radical Islamist hate Gays. but that is OK with democraps because they hate America more. So they have that in common. Yeah, rad muzzies hate women's rights. But that is OK because they hate the West and its long standing tradition of individuality and democraps have that in common with them. Mostly because they want to overthrow the Western order and topple America as we know it (changing it upside down in the name of "diversity") the two groups have all that in common and thence embrace each other. That is why you see democraps being so incensed by typical interogation techniques and the like, because they prefer to see the muzzies treated with kid gloves, because they have sympathy for them.
As one good white liberal stated to me, 911 was because of poor American behavior and its perception throughout the world. It was OUR fault we got attacked, and I suppose that it is a woman's fault she was raped because she didn't wear a burka...
Face it, boxarox, you would be OK with a conservative Christian pastor being waterboarded but not a bloodthirsty, blood soaked Arab muzzie being treated rough. We know what is in your heart. And you hate that most of all.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
~" We know what is in your heart. And you hate that most of all" ~ You gotta be KIDDING! Right? RIGHT??? LOL! You Know Nothing About ME, yet you post what's in my heart???
(So, you make your living as a psychic... telling fortunes and conducting séances??? Right?)
You know what's in my heart???? REALLY? EXACTLY HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT"S IN MY HEART??? So then I know what's in YOUR HEART... Racism, Hatred, Homophobia, Religious intolerance, Misogyny, Bigotry, Greed, Pedophilia???
Really GB... if you judge "what's in my heart" on your assumptions, you'd be wrong most of the time.
Your Last Paragraph: "you would be OK with a conservative Christian pastor being waterboarded but not a bloodthirsty, blood soaked Arab" Where did that come from??? Do you just invent what is in my heart? Do you get your ESP info on what's in my heart from Glenn Beck???
I, like a lot of Conservatives, are against torture...(Christian pastors & Blood Soaked Arabs alike). Where did that assumption come from any way? Are you that naive that you believe all the Glenn Beck BS as if it were true???
Are ALL Liberals (or Conservatives) alike? Do you know what's in All Liberals hearts??? Can I judge your heart by The Worst Extremists Right Wingers?
Now to your post: ~ "unfettered Islamic immigration"??? where did that come from. Did I advocate that? Of Course Not. ~ "The islamic faith is"... Like the Christian faith is... or the Jewish Faith is... They are all a lot of things, not one thing. There are Islamic countries that are so Dangerous that I'd never travel there... there are others that are quite safe for a Christian... Indonesia is the biggest Islamic country in the world... Do you judge all Muslims alike... Are all Christians alike??? Or Jews Or Buddhists???
Your post is so full of bizarre assumptions I can't begin to address them all, so I'll just address this point... What you see as Muslim Extremism is POLITICAL extremism hiding under the guise of Religion.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
But who cares? Why do you care? Why do people buy nice cars, or become accountants? Or buy designer clothes? Isn't all greed and desire to have nice things? People work hard to be proud of their work, but don't they also work to get money? Isn't that greedy? Is it greedy to do a lot of things, but that is just what drives humans. Why is it greedy if people don't want children? Maybe they are focused on their careers, careers that could be a doctor taking care of sick children. Is that person narcissistic?
You said it was cultural suicide if MT didn't pro-create. Explain that comment, it sure sounded defensive when your talking about Muslim culture.
It's not greedy to get money....it's greedy when one pretends to be Robin Hood to 'even out' the score.....on my back and for what I worked for....and it's greedy to keep your money in your pocket and NOT spend it.....
TRADE WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN AND SOME WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER AT IT THAN OTHERS......if it wasn't green backs it could be buttons or acorns......survival to ones ability... and each to his/her ability each shall have........
there WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ABOVE YOU AND SOMEONE BELOW YOU..........as for procreation.....YOU BETTER BE PREPARED....that is what keeps us separate from the animals.....WE HAVE A CHOICE...........
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
NEW YORK (Reuters Life!) – More American women are choosing not to have children than three decades ago, according to a new report.
Nearly 20 percent of older women do not have children, compared to 10 percent in the 1970s, the Pew Research Center said.
"In recent decades, social pressure to play traditional roles has lessened in a broad variety of ways and there is more leeway for individual choice. This could play a part in lowering pressure for people to get married and bear children," said D'Vera Cohn, a co-author of the report.
"Women have more options than in the past to build strong careers and to exercise the choice not to have children," she added in an email.
The findings in the report are based on data from the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey.
Cohn said another reason for the increase is that children are seen by some as less important for a successful marriage. A 2007 Pew survey found that 41 percent of adults said that children are very important for a good marriage, down from 65 percent in 1990.
One in five white women ages 40-44 were childless in 2008, compared with 17 percent of black and Hispanic women and 16 percent of Asian women. Between 1994 and 2008, the childlessness rates for black and Hispanic women rose by almost a third, much higher than the 11 percent increase for white women.
Education also seems to be a factor in a woman's choice to be a mother. The more educated women are, the higher the childless rate is.
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