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Is it your position that the CIA coerced the defense department and the Bush Administration to invade Afghanistan so they could control the worlds heroin supply???  9/11 was a staged attack by the CIA, in order to control the poppy fields?  WOW!


Please answer so I can accurately assess the sanity level I am dealing with when I respond to your posts.


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One reason we are in Afaganistan is because WE have a drug problem-
Afghanistan manufactures about 90 %of the worlds opium- yep  90 %-   One kilogram of heroin can buy about 30 AK-47 assault rifles -


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Of course we are not there for the" poppies "The people making and controlling US military policy - the ones who profit from violence, - profit when the US is at war. Increasingly US foreign policy is military policy


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The CIA, without  opposition, has become addicted to the use of assets who are drug-traffickers, and there is no reason to assume that they have begun to break this addiction.  definitely a --- Drug Problem-


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At the start of the U.S. offensive in 2001,  "The Pentagon had a list of twenty-five or more drug labs and warehouses in Afghanistan but refused to bomb them because some belonged to the CIA's new NA [Northern Alliance] allies."  UNODC officials said that the Americans knew far more about the drug labs than they claimed to know, and the failure to bomb them was a major setback to the counter-narcotics effort." .



I don't think it's my reading comprehension, it's the fact I continue to have a dialog with "sombody" whose contradictory statements make him/her incoherent.






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There are a number of reasons we are in Afghanistan- they do not necessarily contradict one another- I mentioned a couple.  You could just Google " Why are we in Afghanistan ? " and get a variety of answers- so please don't blame your ignorance on me- I'm not sure your really looking for an answer - really. -
- your looking for a way to blame somebody/ anybody really- but there isnt a sing  person or thing -

but you will find  most answers to what you are looking for here ( in English ) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13524


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but you will find  most answers to what you are looking for here ( in English ) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13524


I think I saw a google ad for tin foil hats on this website.  

It's a website that cherry picks statistics and tries to connect it to American invlovment.  Excluding all other variables that may have affected these "statistics"

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The truth is that since World War II the CIA, without establishment opposition, has become addicted to the use of assets who are drug-traffickers, and there is no reason to assume that they have begun to break this addiction. The devastating consequences of CIA use and protection of traffickers can be seen in the statistics of drug production, which increases where America intervenes, and also declines when American intervention ends.

Just as the indirect American intervention of 1979 was followed by an unprecedented increase in Afghan opium production, so the pattern has repeated itself since the American invasion of 2001. Opium poppy cultivation in hectares more than doubled, from a previous high of 91,000 in 1999 (reduced by the Taliban to 8,000 in 2001) to 165,000 in 2006 and 193,000 in 2007. (Though 2008 saw a reduced planting of 157,000 hectares, this was chiefly explained by previous over-production, in excess of what the world market could absorb.

No one should have been surprised by these increases: they merely repeated the dramatic increases in every other drug-producing area where America has become militarily or politically involved. This was demonstrated over and over in the 1950s, in Burma (thanks to CIA intervention, from 40 tons in 1939 to 600 tons in 1970),[35] in Thailand (from 7 tons in 1939 to 200 tons in 196 and Laos (less than 15 tons in 1939 to 50 tons in 1973).[36]

The most dramatic case is that of Colombia, where the intervention of U.S. troops since the late 1980s has been misleadingly justified as a part of a "war on drugs." At a conference in 1990 I predicted that this intervention would be followed by an increase in drug production, not a reduction.[37] But even I was surprised by the size of the increase that ensued. Coca production in Colombia tripled between 1991 and 1999 (from 3.8 to 12.3 thousand hectares), while the cultivation of opium poppy increased by a multiple of 5.6 (from .13 to .75 thousand hectares).[38]

I am not suggesting that there is any single explanation for this pattern of drug increase. But it is essential that we recognize American intervention as part of the problem, rather than simply look to it than as a solution.

It is accepted in Washington that Afghan drug production is a major source of all the problems America faces in Afghanistan today. Richard Holbrooke, now Obama’s special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, wrote in a 2008 Op-Ed that drugs are at the heart of America’s problems in Afghanistan, and "breaking the narco-state in Afghanistan is essential, or all else will fail."[39] It is true that, as history has shown, drugs sustain jihadi salafism, far more surely than jihadi salafism sustains drugs.[40]

But do not expect America’s present government and policies to seriously combat the drug traffic.


He is not suggesting that there is any single explanation for this pattern - but he does only offer America and American involvement in those areas as the explanation.  Not once does he even consider developing economies like China and India that may have had a considerable impact on the demand of narcotics, which would have a direct impact on production.  Or the advances in transportation which allow these drug producing countries to more easily export their product.  Or how about the mere fact that the population has increased over some of the time frames he cites.  Like these here:"40 tons in 1939 to 600 tons in 1970),[35] in Thailand (from 7 tons in 1939 to 200 tons in 1968 ) and Laos (less than 15 tons in 1939 to 50 tons in 1973)" - These are 30 year spans.  The population in the U.S was 130 million in 1939 and 205 million in 1970.  I'm sure the world population over that same span grew.

This website is garbage.  It feeds you the information you WANT to hear, far from factual.  It reminds me of a Michael Moore "Docudrama"


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It is  probably frustrating for you because you think there must be someone you can blame ? Typical Schenectady thinking -

- You seem to be the one' picking and choosing '-
Is the " Military/petroleum industrial complex + heroin + JCS strategic document Joint Vision 2020 (JCS - Joint chief of staff )document = trouble - too confusing ?


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It is  probably frustrating for you because you think there must be someone you can blame ? Typical Schenectady thinking -


Ohhhh...There's someone to blame.  All of the "blame America first" crowd like yourself, who believe America is the scourge of the earth, and feel we must diminish our position in the world as a superpower.  Believing that is we reduced our presence in the world, those who want to kill us will now love us.  We did that under Clinton for 8 years and was attacked several times, and actually called a "paper tiger" by Bin Laden. Let play the lamb again and see where that gets us.


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All I want to know is how, after 9/11, those ships carrying cocaine(millions$$) just happened to get 'caught'......guess what....we are that 'sheeple like'

I dont think we would be able to tolerate the best of our neighbors without their "anti-depressants".......the prolific
commercialization of 'depression' and it's meds is mindboggling.....the heck with Afganistan......it's all insidious.....

Or how about the 'sleep problems' or the 'fibromyalgia' or the 'ADHD'.......etc etc etc........

as far as human nature is concerned from I can see from my Poedunk life we have 2 choices,,,,kill eachother or someone else----over there.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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