Are you implying that bribery is the way to get a child to behave? I agree that approach may work with many children but there are always exceptions to the rule and your plan leaves no room for putting the fear of a good spanking to use when all else fails.

There is no accountability, no consequences, no personal responsibility anymore. And that is what the government is preaching. Obama wants to 'make nice' with a culture (muslims) where men DO beat and stone their wives. Where women can't get an education. Can't let any part of their body show. The little boys are raised to hate all cultures that are different than theirs. The men are all gun toting animals that want US wiped off the face of the earth along with the jews.

And yet you are concerned with spanking a child? Perhaps you and Pastor Warren should go to those muslim countries an state your case. Let's see how well that idea is received.

And let's see...do you think the folks in China can spank the ONE AND ONLY GOVERNMENT ALLOWED child they have?

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''It's an epidemic in America that people readily accept that hitting children is an appropriate way of changing their behavior,'' said Dr. Hyman, director of Temple's National Center for the Study of Corporal Punishment and Alternatives in the Schools.

''We have 40 years of research showing that rewards and building self-esteem are much more effective means of changing a child's behavior.''

I guess that information never reached Rotterdam

Oh, 40 years, huh?  The past 40 years?????    Yeah, these past 40 years of giving rewards has resulted in the most violent generaion of kids.  Give them "rewards" as you call it and all they do now is stomp their feet, beat, hit, etc, in order to DEMAND to get what they want.  

So, let's see somebody, just what has the 40 years of "rewards" resulted in, huh?   Totally violent kids, sprewing obsenities, no respect for adults, unaccepting of any discipline.  Listen, somebody, a few years ago while sitting at McDonald's on State St following a shooting about across the street, from McD, the property across the street was roped off with that crime tape stuff.  Police were conducting an investigation.  A couple of kids probably about 10 years old, riding their bikes, lift that "tape" over their heads and proceed to ride in the area of the crime scene.  The police officer directs them to leave that enclosed area.  They ignore the cop.  The cop speaks to them again, the one kid says to the cop "F you."  Of course I can't spell out the whole word.  but THAT is exactly what has happened since spankings have stopped.

Somebody, 40 years of this study you talk about, open your eyes, see what has happened.  Kids no longer obey their parents, if the parents say, "junior, you need to be home by 10 pm" junior knows that the parents can't do anything to discipline him/her other than giving him this stupid time out.  Kids know they can't get disciplined.  Heck somebody, open your eyes, see how bad it is.  Junior is doing something in his room, maybe smoking.  Parent tells junior to open his door, to let the parent in (remember, this is the parents house), but junior doesn't want mom or dad to find out what he's doing.  So, junior stands against the door.  Parent pushes the door, if junior gets hurt, junior can go to child protective and have parents charged.  YES, I personally know of someone this happened to.  

Somebody, open your eyes, these 40 years of the studies you cheer for has resulted in kids beating up their parents, beating their teachers, vandalizing other's property, committing all kinds of crimes, and blowing up schools.    There are far more studies that prove otherwise.  Actions speak louder than your studies.  

Somebody, tell us, how about that kid in Albany who shot and killed that little girl.  Well, he is a product of your "reward the kids and they'll be goodie goodies" methods of discipline you think is so great.  

Again, the proof is in the what has happened.  Todays kids cannot be spanked, and they are out of control.  Some will wind up going to residential placement, yeah, like the country club in Charlton.....reward the kids with something nice, a country club residential facility, complete with swimming pool.  Why don't you inquire of how productive the kids who have gone there are.  How many have continued their education, gotten degrees, and today are self sufficient.  Ha, I'll be many more have gotten out and are just as unruly as adults, probably have moved on to prisons.

Our Country is moving toward liberal fascism.  The individual is dead, in favor of a new collectivist, statist country, where the individual must comply with the states standards of right and wrong.  Where academia elitist, or wanna be academia elitist like Sombody can tell you how to raise your children the proper way, what food you can and cannot eat, track the temperature you keep your house at, ect...........

Academia place people into groups, and don't take into consideraton each individual.  The 40 years of reseach doesn't metion any success for the use of corporal pubishment.  And that scientific study may be accurate,,,,,75% of children propably do respond to reward as an effective means of changing a childs behavior.....But what about the other 25%???  Maybe those are the ones who respond to alternate techniques.  But the state isn't going to let the individual make that descision of what type of child they have and what they best respond to.  They will outlaw one in favor of the other.  The state will make those decisions for us, based on studies of course.  

As Sombody points out, us Rotterdamians are unable to properly rear children without a doctorate degree, and must be told by those with degrees through government legislation what is right and what is wrong. All of it stuffed down our throats under the guise of protecting childrens rights.........While stepping on parental rights.

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Academia place people into groups, and don't take into consideraton each individual.  The 40 years of reseach doesn't metion any success for the use of corporal pubishment.  And that scientific study may be accurate,,,,,75% of children propably do respond to reward as an effective means of changing a childs behavior.....But what about the other 25%???  Maybe those are the ones who respond to alternate techniques.  But the state isn't going to let the individual make that descision of what type of child they have and what they best respond to.  They will outlaw one in favor of the other.  The state will make those decisions for us, based on studies of course.  

As Sombody points out, us Rotterdamians are unable to properly rear children without a doctorate degree, and must be told by those with degrees through government legislation what is right and what is wrong. All of it stuffed down our throats under the guise of protecting childrens rights.........While stepping on parental rights.

Doctorate ? Dude get real - Half the population HERE( Rotterdam/Schenectady ) cant read the headlines on the front page of the newspaper-  Academia certainly places people in different groups ( as my grandfather said- _ if you dont go to school - your going to be a mule " )

Opinion polls taken on the corner of Brandywine and State St will be much different from polls taken on the Union College campus.

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Doctorate ? Dude get real - Half the population HERE( Rotterdam/Schenectady ) cant read the headlines on the front page of the newspaper-  Academia certainly places people in different groups ( as my grandfather said- _ if you dont go to school - your going to be a mule " )

Opinion polls taken on the corner of Brandywine and State St will be much different from polls taken on the Union College campus.

EVERYBODY who lives on the corner of State and Brandywine do not know the proper way to raise a child, EVERYBODY who attended Union College does know how to properly raise their children.  

What did your grandfather mean by "mule".  I'm assuming he means the dirty working class.

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SCHENECTADY
Charges in ‘whupping’ reduced
Father faces misdemeanors for punishment of teen son
BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter

The city man charged with a felony after he beat his son with a belt is no longer in danger of a state prison sentence. Officials said the charges against Lloyd Fisher have been reduced, but he still faces misdemeanor counts of assault and endangering the welfare of a child. Prosecutors officially reduced the charges this week, but regardless of the reduction, Fisher’s attorney, Brian Toal, said he believes that his client is innocent of any crime. “I’ve done a complete investigation and it was completely legal,” Toal said Friday. Fisher, 45, is expected to return to court next week.
    He was charged last month with beating his 13-year-old son with a belt after the boy was kicked out of school for stealing from teachers, hitting other children and cutting a girl’s hair.
    Authorities said Fisher left at least five visible welts on the boy, according to papers fi led in court.
    Schenectady County District Attorney Robert Carney said prosecutors reduced the count because the incident didn’t fit the elements of a felony.
    The felony charge could only stand if there was serious injury or the belt was used as a deadly weapon. He said he didn’t believe the case met either standard.
    A belt could be a deadly weapon, but not how it is alleged to have been used in this case, Carney said.
    “Using it to whip somebody is not likely to cause death,” Carney said.
    Misdemeanor assault has a lower standard of requirements.
    Prosecutors are also still looking at the case, including consideration of Fisher’s history or lack of it.
    “The case is going forward; where it ends up is a different issue,” Carney said. “But that’s where it starts.”
    The arrest, which became known as the “whupping” case, has sparked debate over proper punishment of children.
    The reduction in the Fisher case came as another parent was charged in an unrelated case involving a belt.
    Della M. Collier, 36, was charged this week with misdemeanor thirddegree assault and endangering the welfare of a child.
    She is accused of using a belt to hit her 8-year-old daughter on the arms, back and shoulder area on April 5. The girl had “visible markings of redness, swelling and bruising,” along with pain and discomfort, according to papers fi led in court.
    The girl was treated by a school nurse the next day, according to court papers.
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Yes we do get more bees with honey....but bees get smoked to sleep to behave.......so do we get to 'smoke our kids to sleep' to behave at times.....
sometimes hitting the wall will tell you where your boudaries lie......IE: you cant walk into a crowded theater and yell fire, there are consequences.....
now the first law is of the Adults, whatever that may constitute in the childs life......spanking last after all else fails.....but the most effort by the 'Adults'
lies in the 'all else'......forget the responsibility of a well laid out plan and spanking will be the first choice.......one does not need to be college educated
to have a plan......however, I am totally against blowing smoke up our kids butts just to 'make nice'......sometimes the world spanks you and sometimes
the world rewards you.....there is no rhyme or reason to the doling out of justice, rewards or punishments,,,,,they are ALWAYS at the whim of someone
else......

We are ALWAYS responsible for our choices and their consequences,,,,,that is what children need to learn.........

as for being a mule.....we are ALWAYS someone else's mule to a certain degree......unless one creates their own shell of a world which will shatter
unless they die utterly alone......

scientific evoulutionists claim we are from/are animals.....so scientifically, spanking is okay since we prefer not to nip with our teeth......we have not
evolved much....we just keep blowing more and more smoke to sleep........

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SCHENECTADY
Father’s belt-whipping trial begins
City man charged with excessive discipline of son, 13
BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter

Lloyd Fisher used a belt to repeatedly beat his 13-year-old son, even continuing the beating after the boy fell to the floor, a prosecutor said.
The city father is standing trial this week on two misdemeanor counts related to the March incident, with opening statements Wednesday afternoon.
Fisher’s attorney, Brian Toal, conceded in his own openings that the father of four used a belt on his son, but not to the extent alleged. The boy, he argued, had been acting out for some time. Talking with him didn’t work.
“He had to try to get through to him one way or another,” Toal said. “He decided to do something the old-fashioned way. He did give him a beating on his behind, but nothing anywhere that would come close to child abuse.”
    Fisher is standing trial this week before City Court Judge Vincent Versaci on one count each of third-degree assault and endangering the welfare of a child.
    The charge had initially been a felony assault, which was lowered later to misdemeanors. The misdemeanors carry a punishment of up to a year in jail.
    But more than a misdemeanor case, the case has been closely watched by some who favor allowing parents to use corporal punishment. It even caught the eye of a city councilman, Joseph Allen, who had never met the Fishers but vehemently opposed the idea of criminalizing physical discipline.
    That’s what the seven women and one man, the jury and alternates, will have to decide, whether the boy’s punishment went too far.
    Toal noted state law specifically allows parents to use physical punishment on their children as long as it’s reasonable and used for disciplin-.............>>>>..................>>>>....................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....1&Continuation=1

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Police say woman
hit child with belt
    SCHENECTADY — A city mother faces a felony for allegedly injuring her child with a belt, authorities said.
    Wanda H. McCommons, 49, of Paige Street, was charged May 31 with second-degree assault, a felony, and endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor.
    McCommons is accused hitting the 7-year-old child with a belt the evening of May 31 as a way of disciplining her. The child suffered injury to her right arm and both legs and sought medical treatment, according to papers filed in court.

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