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hahaha

Check out this blog - not sure who's it is, but someone sure checked their facts:

http://www.schenectadytoday.co.....ceit-and-dining-out/

I especially like this part:

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Waite is acting as a general contractor through two companies, 411 State Street LLC and New Waite & C Co., LLC.


Yes, that's the ACTUAL corp name - wait and see!

hahaha
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The taxpayers must now put their hopes in the Metroplex audit. We have no choice. But we ALL need to watch and listen to everything. And attend the county legislature meeting.  Mr. Gillen, Mr. Waite, Ms. Savage and everyone else who have supported the 'plex' are all guilty of out and out lying to all of us. And mis-management of our tax dollar.


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we have already had the waite and see conversation a while back when it was in the newspaper originally....is there really a Waite?????

scam scam scam sham sham sham shame shame shame.........

obfuscation is such a fitting word.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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we have already had the waite and see conversation a while back when it was in the newspaper originally....is there really a Waite?????

scam scam scam sham sham sham shame shame shame.........

obfuscation is such a fitting word.....


Sorry, I came into this forum to late for the original party ... just found it hysterical.
Good article too, IMHO.
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Welcome to the party, MT.  We're just getting the ball rolling ready to jump on the party train?  I forget how long ago it was that we ran into the "Waite and C,"  but I must say my favorite part of it is that "Waite and C," just like Metroplex, won't have to take on the total fault of anything they do, as they are a LLC.


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I'm really asking if there is truly a Waite? I mean since the original article......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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ready to jump on the party train?


Oh hell ya, where do I buy my ticket?

I'll bring the popcorn
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And dont forget the Waite and C LLC is treated just like a person in NYS.......so is this hate speech????

I'll bring the snow caps and cola.....actually I'll bring a tote bag full of goodies......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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And dont forget the Waite and C LLC is treated just like a person in NYS.......so is this hate speech????

I'll bring the snow caps and cola.....actually I'll bring a tote bag full of goodies......


Not sure I understand the "hate speech" comment ... 'splain?

as for the tote bag of goodies, you ARE going to get them from Bowtie, right??
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If we keep 'disrespecting' the Waite and C LLC(considered a person in NYS) would it be considered hate speech....we do live in PC NYS.........

I couldn't afford a goody bag from Bowtie......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If we keep 'disrespecting' the Waite and C LLC(considered a person in NYS) would it be considered hate speech....we do live in PC NYS.........
No hate speech here. Just the facts!!



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Thursday, April 3, 2008
Former Big House brewpub in Albany owes state $44K in sales taxes
The Business Review (Albany) - by Michael DeMasi The Business Review

The Big House Brewing Co. closed three years ago in downtown Albany, N.Y., but owner Stephen Waite said the state is demanding $44,000 in unpaid sales taxes from the business.

The state Department of Taxation and Finance filed a warrant in Albany County on March 19 to recover $44,614 from the former brewpub at 90 N. Pearl St.

Waite said he was told the money is owed for a period of time during which sales taxes weren't collected on admission charges to music acts performing on the third floor of the brewpub.

Waite said he initially didn't collect sales taxes on admissions because his accountant told him the charges were exempt.

Waite said he changed the policy after a state tax auditor informed him that admissions were taxable because the third floor performance spaces was considered a "rooftop garden."

From that point on, Waite said the sales taxes were collected on admissions until the brewpub closed in 2005.

"What they're coming after us for is something that happened seven years ago," Waite said.

Tax Department Spokesman Tom Bergin confirmed the warrant was filed but said he couldn't discuss Waite's tax situation because of privacy laws.

Waite, who is an attorney, said the state owes him about $70,000 in sales tax refunds because of other unrelated projects, including the bar, restaurant and office building he's developing in downtown Schenectady.

Waite has been under pressure to open the business in Schenectady, which has received $1.4 million in taxpayer-subsidized loans and grants from the Metroplex Development Authority.
Waite has encountered numerous delays renovating a deteriorating, three-story building at 411 State St. into the new bar, restaurant and upper floor offices.

The facade is done but work remains on the interior.

Waite said the music club in the basement, which will be called Big House Underground, will open first but he declined to set a date because so many previous expected openings have been missed.

Waite also said he will satisfy liens that were filed on the property by two contractors once he finalizes the permanent financing.

Advance Welding & Fabricating Inc. in Green Island filed a $39,507 lien in July 2007. Triple A Iron & Ornamental in Duanesburg is owed $14,000.


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Looks like they scooped that information from http://www.rotterdamny.info/m-1204315424/s-new/#num45
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http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2007/10/29/story3.html?page=1
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Friday, October 26, 2007
Waite, cancer survivor, readies Schenectady 'Big House' after long delay
The Business Review (Albany) - by Michael DeMasi The Business Review

Correction at bottom of article


DONNA ABBOTT VLAHOS | THE BUSINESS REVIEW
411 State St., the site of the planned Big House restaurant and nightclub. The basement-level nightclub, called Big House Underground, will open “within weeks,” possibly timed to the Thanksgiving holiday, says Stephen Waite, the developer of the project.

Three years after being diagnosed with tonsil cancer and going through the pain and discomfort of treatment, Stephen Waite took on another big challenge.

He decided in 2005 the time was right to renovate a deteriorating, vacant building on State Street in downtown Schenectady and turn it into a nightclub, bar and restaurant modeled after Big House Brewing Co., a popular business that Waite owned for nearly 10 years in downtown Albany.

"I think you have two choices when something like this happens to you," said Waite, 54, a tall, trim attorney whose neck bears the scars from three surgeries to remove cancerous cells. "You can either retrench and start establishing a transition as if you're not going to be here, or you can go the other way, which is it isn't going to beat you. You need to keep moving on."

In this case, moving on meant tackling a project across from Proctor's Theatre that has proven harder and taken much longer to finish than anyone anticipated.

Several expected opening dates have been missed due to unforeseen construction problems.

A complex undertaking

The Schenectady Metroplex Development Authority, which provided $1.4 million in grants and loans, listed the total project cost as $3.25 million, according to a project plan approved in May 2005. Waite said the total will be closer to $3.5 million, including equipment, but insists the final price tag is still on budget.

The delays have prompted speculation in Schenectady that the money dried up after much of the three-story red-brick facade at 411 State St. was restored to resemble how it looked in 1906.

Brown paper on the ground-floor windows shields all but a sliver of the interior from spying eyes, but it's easy to see the empty office space through the large second- and third-floor windows.

Metroplex Chairman Ray Gillen said the gut rehabilitation was a complex undertaking but that the end result will be worthwhile. He also said the timing works well because it fits in with other recently completed projects on the street.

Waite himself is frustrated by how long the job has taken but said it was more important to do it right.

Although he's hesitant to announce a date, he said the basement-level nightclub, called Big House Underground, will open "within weeks," possibly timed to the Thanksgiving holiday.

The first-floor restaurant will open at a separate time. The interior will simulate a city street, with a cobblestone path, curbs, a fire hydrant and an enclosed bar called The Big House.

The walls are being decorated to look like the facades of downtown shops and a movie theater. The interior support columns will resemble trees.

Waite wouldn't divulge the name of the 280-seat restaurant, nor when it will open, but vowed it would be before the end of the year.


Correction:
An earlier version of this story stated incorrectly that Stephen Waite received a $1.5 million loan from Sunmark Federal Credit Union.

He plans to move his law office into the upper floors of the new restaurant, along with a company he owns, SourceOne Network Inc., which provides accounting, payroll and technology services to small businesses.

'An unusual animal'

Waite knows there's a lot of anticipation for the nightclub, bar and restaurant.

"The Big House is an unusual animal," said Waite, whose current office on Sheridan Avenue in Albany is next to the five-story brick warehouse where The Big House was formerly located.

Waite closed The Big House in 2005 at about the time he took on the Schenectady project, but continues to own the building, which is now leased to the Skyline Restaurant & Lounge.

During its heyday, The Big House was a big draw. The restaurant and bar brewed its own beer and had a nightclub on the third floor. Lines could stretch around the block on weekends.

In 1999, Waite opened the Big House Grill on Wolf Road, but closed it in 2003 during his battle with cancer.

"Having been through it before, the ingredients have to be correct before you open those doors," Waite said. "There are other factors out there that have to be in place that are outside our control."

One of those factors is the parking lot behind the building in Schenectady, which Waite said must be well-lighted so patrons feel safe driving to the nightclub and restaurant.

"Certain things have to be in place to ensure that the experience is really good for the consumer," Waite said. "If you make a mistake, that's it. You will kill your business very fast. Everything's got to be just right."

'I'm not checking out'

Gillen first approached Waite with the idea of opening a business downtown in 2004. He knew how popular the Big House had become in Albany and wanted to bring that same energy to Schenectady.
Waite mulled over the idea with his wife, Christine, for about year. By that time his radiation treatments had ended.

"I think, to some degree, it was almost therapeutic to me," he said. "It was the idea that I was still creating. I'm not checking out, if you will."

Replacing the Family Dollar store required a big investment of taxpayer money to rescue a building that had deteriorated so badly the beams holding up the first floor had rotted, meaning all the weight rested on the columns in the basement and on the interior walls.

All the rafters and beams in the roof had to be torn out because of water damage. And the sanitary sewer line had to be rerouted so that the wastewater exited the rear of the building instead of the front.

The Metroplex, which is financed by a portion of the county sales tax, purchased the building from James Commarto in April 2005 for $200,000.

It then sold the building for $1 to Waite's development arm, Sheridan Hollow Inc.

Under the terms of the agreement, the Metroplex provided a $1 million, no-interest loan, a $250,000 facade improvement grant, $50,000 for asbestos removal and other environmental clean-up, and a $100,000 working capital loan for the first two years of operations (the loan will be repaid by Waite with refunds from the state's Empire Zone program).

No payments are due to the Metroplex during the first five years of the $1 million loan.

Separately, Waite has a $1.5 million loan from Sunmark Federal Credit Union and was expected to invest $350,000 in equity.

"It's an ideal fit with what we're trying to do downtown," Gillen said.
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METROPLEX CHAIR SAYS BIG HOUSE HUBBUB IS A LOT OF HYPE

Posted on: 05/02/08
Written by: Ross Marvin, Spotlight Staff
email: marvinr@spotlightnews.com

The media hype over the discontinuation of the Big House restaurant project at 411 State St. isn’t big news according to Metroplex Chairman Ray Gillen.
Earlier this week, reports in several news outlets characterized the discontinuation of a Big House Restaurant project by owner Stephen J. Waite in favor of a Big House Underground nightclub as a breaking development.
These same reports indicated Gillen hadn’t properly informed county officials of the project’s status.
The allegations that led to the news items were made by County Legislator Joe Suhrada, R-Rotterdam, who found a real-estate listing on Monday, April 28, that offered the site’s 9,000-square-foot first floor for lease.
Suhrada said that Gillen had been dishonest with the Legislature about the status of the Big House Restaurant on several occasions. He also said he didn’t think Waite should have asked for money from Metroplex, an urban renewal agency funded by a portion of the sales tax, if he didn’t intend to open the initially proposed restaurant.
In a recent interview, Gillen said Suhrada’s comments don’t hold water.
“He called the media, and he thinks he has some big ‘gotcha,’ but he doesn’t,” said Gillen. “I’ve been very forthcoming about this project.”
Transcripts from Metroplex’s annual report to the Schenectady County Legislature in early March show that the plans for the space at 411 State St. had already been discussed.
When questioned by Suhrada about the status of the Big House project, Gillen specifically indicated the uses for the building’s basement and for three of the building’s four stories.
He said a nightclub operated by Waite called Big House Underground would occupy the basement and that Waite’s law firm would inhabit the building’s third floor.
In March, Gillen said, Metroplex was actively seeking tenants for the building’s first and third floors. He said showings continue today and that he’s been shopping the property since January to interested retailers.
Waite said the second floor would also be office space available for lease.
According to Gillen, the building renewal project should have never been thought of as the “Big House,” but rather an investment in the failing State Street building.
“We haven't invested in the Big House.  We've invested in 411 State St.,” said Gillen, who acknowledged that delays in the nightclub project were a disappointment.  “Our money went into a complete gut renovation of this building.  Top floor office, third floor office, first floor retail, and, yes, there will be the Big House Underground in the basement.”  
Susan E. Savage, chairwoman of the Schenectady County Legislature said she is updated by Gillen daily on Metroplex projects and that she knew the restaurant project had been discontinued well before Metroplex’s annual report was delivered to the Legislature. Savage said that Suhrada’s recent comments are evidence that he “didn’t pay attention” during committee reports.
“I was under the assumption that everyone knew the status of the project,” said Savage. “He [Suhrada] or anyone else had an opportunity to ask questions when the topic was in front of the Legislature.”
But Suhrada maintains that the failure of the Big House restaurant is evidence of the failure of Metroplex.
“He [Gillen] hasn’t been up front with the Legislature,” said Suhrada. “Susan Savage needs to fire Ray Gillen and get someone who will be honest with the Legislature.”
He said Gillen should be accountable to the public when they ask why something that was promised will never open.
But Savage said that the Big House is only one example of a “modified” project and that Metroplex’s more than 100 successful economic development projects show that in the majority of cases, projects come to fruition as promised.
Metroplex has awarded Waite a $1 million, 15-year loan, a $250,000 facade grant, and $50,000 to remove asbestos from the building over the past three years. They also provided a $100,000 loan toward a tax payment under the Empire Zone plan.
Waite has also invested more than $1.6 million of his own money in the project, to make renovations to the 26,000-square-foot building.
Waite said he speaks with Metroplex representatives on a daily basis and that plans for a nightclub are moving forward.
“I’m not sure why people are attacking Ray Gillen,” said Waite. “Do people remember what Schenectady looked like four years ago? They ought to be making him the king of the parade.”
Although Waite said a design for a first-floor restaurant was completed, he said that from day one, the Big House would occupy the basement alone.
“We were going to look for a restaurant tenant for the first floor and then Metroplex approached us with the possibility of a retailer who was considering the space,” said Waite.
Waite said that no final decision has been made about the first floor and that if the interested, but unnamed, retailer passes on the space, a restaurant project may yet develop if an interested tenant emerges.
The first-floor space is available for lease for $12 to $15 per square foot.
Waite said he’s currently in the process of raising $400,000, which he said would complete the construction of several additional safety features. He said he’s already invested $1.6 million into the building.
“I’ve been told that once we have the funds for the final work we can inhabit the basement and third floor within four weeks,” said Waite.
Gillen stood by the county’s original investment when he spoke to the Legislature in March.
“We had two empty dollar stores in downtown Schenectady in early 2004,” said Gillen, in response to a question from Suhrada.  “Think about that.  Our community, the downtown community, the city, was not even able to support a dollar store.”
While he didn’t provide a timeframe, Gillen said he was confident that Waite’s nightclub will open in the future and that “every dime” will be paid back.
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