But Democrats aren't stopping at health care. Obama's plan to cut private banks and other lending institutions out of the market for student loans would also move on a filibuster-free path.
If I am reading this correctly....all student loans would be paid for by the government. There would be not other choices BUT tax money.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The next great idea will be to turn over the whole paycheck to the government and just ask them when you need something, like some kind of abused, downtrodden and brainwashed husband or wife does in a dysfunctional marriage. Too bad we have forsaken our want of liberty for our desire for security. The breakdown of the traditional family has resulted in that, a well laid democrat liberal scheme too- made possible by the mores of the 1960's and government policy. I am certain that one of the enlightened ones will be on this thread to argue that. Some dirt infested child of the 60's...
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
The next great idea will be to turn over the whole paycheck to the government and just ask them when you need something, ....
That is exactly what they do in China.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The next great idea will be to turn over the whole paycheck to the government and just ask them when you need something, like some kind of abused, downtrodden and brainwashed husband or wife does in a dysfunctional marriage. Too bad we have forsaken our want of liberty for our desire for security. The breakdown of the traditional family has resulted in that, a well laid democrat liberal scheme too- made possible by the mores of the 1960's and government policy. I am certain that one of the enlightened ones will be on this thread to argue that. Some dirt infested child of the 60's...
The sad part is folks have been given half truths and down right lied to, that society thinks security is some other entity's responsibility and the best answer.....we are only as free as the chains/fences we allow to be put on and put up......technology is spinning around faster and faster and the next generation only sees the speed not the wall they are going to hit or the chain they will pull on when they wake up only to find themselves tethered to something someone else built(the pyramids?)........
I believe this could almost be called the communist's version of The Trade Union.......no party affiliation-no food for you........ what will we call our village?????
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Job health benefits could be taxed Proposal being floated to tax those with so-called "Cadillac coverage"; could yield up to $100 billion
By REED ABELSON, New York Times First published in print: Friday, May 8, 2009
It is an alluring way to pay for the ambitious plan to expand health coverage to the nearly 50 million people who are now uninsured. Simply put, the U.S. government would tax the people who already have the most expensive health benefits, as provided by their employers.
By one congressional estimate, taxing this "Cadillac coverage," as some call it, could yield $100 billion in revenues over five years. No wonder Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., a leader of the health care reform effort, seems keen on the idea. As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama criticized the notion when Sen. John McCain promoted it, but the concept now has some support within his administration as part of a broader overhaul of the health care system.
"There aren't that many pots of gold to pay for health reform," said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy expert at the University of North Carolina.
But Oberlander and some other experts say Congress may have a difficult time devising a new tax on health benefits that does not threaten to do more harm than good.
If the plan is not designed carefully, they say, the additional taxes could affect many workers who are far from affluent and put the cost of adequate coverage further beyond the reach of many Americans.
Some critics also warn that the taxes could undermine the employer-based coverage that is the bedrock of the nation's health insurance system.
The details have not yet been worked out. But critics say a tax could add to the burden of many employees, who already pay a hefty portion of their own insurance premiums and have additional out-of-pocket costs in the form of deductibles and co-payments.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
This is a shake down of massive proportions.....they are now squeezing those paying for themselves......WTF.....if 'healthcare' as they toute it to be is of the importance of air/food to a person then it would be like taxing milk......
they can kiss my butt.....because here's the truth......there will be another loophole and this is just smoke and mirrors and they are making us donkeys chase that damn carrot tied to the end of the pole attached to our asses, just to find the loopholes when doing our taxes..... and the rest of the folks will "feelgood"........
Governments job description:
prevent chaos and anarchy
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
How many police does it take to silence the voice of the American people? We do not as yet know, but Sen. Max Baucus of Montana wishes to add many more simply to assure that they do not even have to consider the only health care plan that would work well. Why is the Senate not even considering the single-payer health plan, but snidely laughing behind closed doors as they prepare to put another one over on the American people? When are we going to say “enough,” like the French people recently did when their government tried to make them pay for the government’s own ineptness and bad management? Is there not one person who is still a vertebrate in this country? Last week, the Senate Finance Committee thought it a hilarious joke as they ejected one activist after another because they protested that not even one spokesperson for single-payer health care was permitted to sit at the hearing table. Freedom of speech? Equal representation? Now it is my turn to laugh. Let us stop cowering. Let us take this country back. Down with wimpy, mewling American citizens. Start drinking your V8, everyone!
Way to go C Al finally another person with a back bone. What we need is for the American taxpayer to rise up in a bloodless revolution and vote every career politician who keeps going against the wishes of we the people out of office and only then will there be real change.
Obama: Health care reform must happen in 2009 WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama warned Thursday that if Congress doesn’t deliver health care legislation by the end of the year the opportunity will be lost, a plea to political supporters to pressure lawmakers to act. “If we don’t get it done this year, we’re not going to get it done,” Obama told supporters by phone as he flew home on Air Force One from a West Coast fundraising trip. Obama’s political organization, Organizing for America, invited campaign volunteers to a midday conference call to describe a nationwide June 6 kickoff for its health care campaign. The president’s message to his re-election campaign-in-waiting was simple: If volunteers don’t pressure lawmakers to support the White House’s goal on health care, Washington would drag its feet and nothing would change. “The election in November, it didn’t bring about change. It gave us an opportunity for change,” Obama said. The presidential plea came as lawmakers prepare for an aggressive schedule of work aimed at producing comprehensive health care overhaul bills in the House and Senate by August.
AS OTHERS SAY IT Universal health care: watch your wallets
Promising “universal health care” is easy. Delivering it will be difficult. And as assorted politicians propose sweeping health-care “reforms,” Americans shouldn’t fall for the revived pitch that increased government intervention in the medical marketplace can both increase coverage and reduce costs. When President Lyndon B. Johnson sold Medicare to Congress (and the nation), he offered assurances that the system would ultimately save money by controlling medical costs. Forty-five years later, medical costs have soared, Medicare is riddled by waste, and another president is offering similar assurances about supposed savings from a vast expansion of the federal role in the health-care market. Keep this history lesson in mind as the debate continues, in and beyond the halls of power in Washington: You can’t get more for less. The Post-Courier, Charleston, S.C
Kennedy bill would make employers provide care Kennedy committee circulates bill providing universal coverage, requiring employers to pay
By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Last updated: 3:35 a.m., Saturday, June 6, 2009
WASHINGTON -- Employers would be required to offer health care to employees or pay a penalty -- and all Americans would be guaranteed health insurance -- under a draft bill circulated Friday by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's health committee.
The bill would provide subsidies to help poor people pay for care, guarantee patients the right to select any doctor they want and require everyone to purchase insurance, with exceptions for those who can't afford to.
Insurers would be supposed to offer a basic level of care and would be required to cover all comers, without turning people away because of pre-existing conditions or other reasons. Insurance companies' profits would be limited, and private companies would have to compete with a new public "affordable access" plan that would for the first time offer government-sponsored health care to Americans not eligible for Medicare, Medicaid or other programs.
It all adds up to sweeping changes in how America's health care system operates and aims to achieve President Barack Obama's goal of holding down costs and extending health coverage to 50 million uninsured Americans.
It's already been known that Kennedy's health committee was planning to pursue most of the concepts outlined in the draft of the bill, called the "American Health Choices Act." But it's the first actual bill language to circulate since Congress began working on Obama's health care overhaul.
Congressional and interest groups officials cautioned that the language in the document was not final.
"It's a draft of a draft. HELP Democrats are still actively talking amongst themselves and their Republican colleagues," said Anthony Coley, spokesman for the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee that's chaired by Kennedy, D-Mass.
Kennedy's committee is scheduled to begin voting on legislation later this month, as is the Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over tax issues. The House also will get to work soon to meet Obama's goal of passing legislation through both chambers by August, so the president can sign a bill in fall.
The draft bill sets up a system of state-level "exchanges," where people would go to shop for insurance plans and which would also oversee the marketplace. The federal-state Medicaid program for the poor would be greatly expanded.
Insurers would be required to pay for preventive care, and a new Medical Advisory Council would make recommendations on required health care benefits that would take effect unless Congress rejected them all at once -- similar to how military base closures are handled.
OKAY.....here's the deal....if companies are 'required' to cover employees health....
let's say I make $10/hour now the government 'forces' companies to pay for everyone's health insurance so, instead of getting a 4% raise I will now get the max of 2% if any at all.....and the bottom line of hourly workers salary will be lower and consumer products/services costs will be higher.....
The government is in the boxing ring with corporate......name calling and fear mongering abound......it looks like the government is the good guy.... and that corporate is the stupid bad guy......
when in fact THEY ALL EAT AT THE SAME TABLE AND THE SHEEPLE ARE CONFUSED......anyone care to discuss all the 'bailouts' and GM........
BTW we fund ALOT of medical/scientific research via taxes already----military/DARPA and many others.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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