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Yet another danger: health care
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
By Carl Strock, Gazette columnist

Here we go again. First it was empathy that the Angry Ones were all in a lather about, and specifically the prospect that a Supreme Court justice might feel such a thing, and now it’s health care, and specifically the prospect that the government might provide more of it.
You would think our government was contemplating something truly horrible, like concentration camps, or the gassing of the unemployed, or the repeal of the Bill of Rights, but no, the government is contemplating getting involved with trying to keep people healthy!
People are in a rage over this, to the extent that they are storming town hall meetings and shouting and shoving to shut them down.
Their pipers are piping them on: “Be part of the mob!” urges Sean Hannity on his Web site.
“Pack the hall,” urges Tea Party Patriots.
To all of which a normal, civilized person might ask, Huh?
But it makes a kind of sense, if you think about it, and is very much in line with the disdain for empathy...............>>>>...................>>>>............http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/aug/11/0811_strock11/
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Carl, you're on the wrong side of this issue too, read the bill b4 you make half baked decisions. There are amendments in there that are nothing but government permission to enter into your life where they have no business being. The other big problem is we can't afford to pay for this bloated health-care bill in it's present form.
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http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

everybody should read it!

here are few of my favorite sections and believe me there are plenty more!

1)page 95:  3      SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-EL-     
4      IGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EX-     
5      CHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS      
6      PLAN.      

Is ACORN gonna come to my office or house and sign me up and make me switch out of my employee based heealthplan?

2)Page 127:  wage limit for doctor.  government will set the fee schedule for doctors.  what choice will they have but to accept when all their patients are forced into plan

3)Page 195:  they want access to all of your personal financial information!

4)Page 91: CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY APPROPRIATE SERVICES AND COMMUNICATIONS.—The entity shall provide for culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services.

this will drive up costs for private practices, local doctors, if they have to hire  TRANSLATORS! multiple intake forms in different languages, and so on.  hey at least obama can say he created some new jobs

what exactly are culturally appropriate health services?  are doctors going to have to learn all the customs of every culture in this country.  


5)Pages 22-30: pretty much such how your healthcare will be rationed......
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YANKEE- DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! Drs. will only have to learn the cultures of the "traditionally oppressed" groups like Hispanic, and Black and Jewish. Others can go to the very back of the line, since they are not only not protected, there is open season on them. "Sorry Mr. Jones, the quota of those operations has run out this year for white males, we have 3,000 reserved for minorities; you will have to wait until January 1st and your name will be entered into the database." Mr. Jones will be dead by then, but isn't that the point anyway?

I predicted this ten years ago 'Affirmative action in healthcare."


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Listen....congress is stuck betwseen a rock and a hard place right now. obam's ratings are falling. If congress continues to push for this government run health insurance...they are signing their own death cert..

On the flip side, obama is just pandering to the special interest groups that is putting pressure on him to pass this health care beast. After all....these are the special interest groups that dumped hundreds of millions into his campaign.


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It's sure starting  to look like reverse discrimination is built into this health-care bill.
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http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2009/08/11/dirty_secret_no_1_in_obamacare


Thank you Chuck Norris, Thank you Chuck Norris so very much for helping read through this ridiculous document

since you are more of a man than I, have been know to kill people with your beard, or defuse bombs simply by staring at them, You can obivisouly read this bill much better, faster, and absorb the information much easilier than i ever could (it has to be the beard).  

I havent gotten past page 200 at which my eyeballs start to boil and this strange green liquid starts oozing out of my ears...... thats another issue, either way

chuck found on page 844 that with passage of this bill we should get ready for the govt to come to your home and make sure you are raising your children properly!!!!!

WTFWCND (what the F==k would chuck norris do (for you sal)), chuck would obvisouly starting kicking people in the face.......


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The question of "competition" came up today at Obama's town hall in NH.  His example was "Fedex and UPS were doing just fine but it was the USPS that was having trouble".  I think he just made our point.

Govt run DOESNT work. Private does.
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We have enough nuclear facilities in the US to power 75million homes....that's a drop in the bucket.....let's assume there are 4
people living in each home.....do the math....now we are worried about 'covering' 46million folks with 'national healthcare'.....

I'm not seein' it......hard sell to me.....here's the thing---even folks with health insurance(not healthcare) dont always go to their
MD's.....

AND BELIEVE YOU ME, THAT SETTING MD pay and nurse pay will certainly hinder movement and who is where......

check out public transportation in NYC and their unions/contracts etc......just a happy freakin' bunch aren't they.....I wonder what their
union bosses get paid or who the arbitrators are?....

I guess the drug companies are The White Houses arbitrators.....

that is the 'scare tactic' or 'vote purchase' being used----AMERICANS ALL WANT CHEAPER DRUGS....WE LIKE DRUGS....

that is the difference between health insurance and health care......two different animals.....

see---right now there is a fight between the insurers and the drug lords.....via contracts and sources and safety and well, actually
big dealers like Walmart.....

why do we think walmart is now on the side of national healthcare and has all those cheap drugs.......PAY ATTENTION....

it certainly isn't for the best interest of the public as it is in the interest of those in power---NO PARTY IS IMMUNE


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Public health insurance bureaucrats couldn’t be as bad private

    People against health care reform say they oppose government bureaucrats interfering with doctor-patient relationships. Yet they ignore the intrusions of private insurance industry bureaucrats. The primary difference between the two is that there are many more private ones.
    The government’s Medicare program spends only 3 percent of its revenue on administrative costs. The private sector averages an astounding 30 percent. The reason private insurance companies have more bureaucrats per capita than Medicare is that they safeguard company profits by dispersing the least amount of money possible to claim holders.
    Is this a prescription for a healthy patient-doctor relationship? No, it’s actually become the biggest detriment to that relationship. And that’s why the conservativeinclined American Medical Association has changed its position and is now supporting a public health insurance option.
    I recently had surgery. Afterward, my private insurance provider sent me, in succession, three redundant forms to complete. I complied. I then received two additional notices instructing me to call an 800 number. They asked me the same questions two more times. On the last occasion I complained. They told me that their computer had no record of the other four contacts! Incompetence, or “fishing” for a reason not to pay?
    In contrast, both of my parents ran up medical bills that were covered by Medicare. Copies of paid bills were received. The doctors and hospitals reported to Medicare the services they rendered. Since the procedures were covered, Medicare paid them. We had no forms to fill out, or 800 numbers to call. That’s the difference between 3 percent versus 30 percent in administrative costs.
    The public option is the best choice for people who are in fear of bureaucrats interfering with their health care. They would be able to choose a plan that offers them less unnecessary and unwanted contact with these intruders.

ALBERT ORMSBY
Saratoga Springs

http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00904&AppName=1
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Why does the Obama administration ignore tort reform and put a cap on all the lawsuits that drive the cost of malpractice insurance in his health-care reform bill? Answer: the lawyers contributed a ton of money to his campaign so they are a very special interest group so like the rest of the Obama administrations special interest groups they get protected by the Congress.
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Wonder why the seniors are in an uproar about this? Cause the government is planning to cut medicare (another beast) to help fund this universal health care beast. How do  you cut spending with medicare? Ration health care and turn it over to hospice! Nice, huh?


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He's not cutting medicare...he is absorbing it......there is no later life entry into government health insurance.....

AARP is making a nice package like noise about it.....keep sendin' 'em the $$$$......let's see if their dance is
truly that effective....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Callers push health care reform
Diner phone-a-thon champions Obama’s controversial plan

Thursday, August 13, 2009
By Lee Coleman (Contact)
Gazette Reporter

HALFMOON — Supporters of President Obama’s health care reforms gathered Wednesday afternoon at the Halfmoon Diner to call friends and urge them to back the “bedrocks” of the president’s reforms.
More than a dozen Saratoga County residents, most of them Democrats armed with cellphones, made calls to gather support for Obama’s controversial reforms at the popular diner on Grooms Road.
This group was coordinated by Organizing for America, which is described as a “grassroots project of the Democratic National Committee.”
The debate over President Obama’s proposed health care reforms is raging across the country this summer. Opponents say that a government-sponsored program would mean major new costs to an already deficit-burdened country and would allow government bureaucrats to take over the nation’s health care..................>>>>..............>>>>.............
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