Just like there are Universal Precautions (assume anyone/everyone has HIV/Hepatitis or anything else infectious) which means put your gloves on and NEVER do mouth to mouth without a non-rebreather pocket mask--unless your logic leads else where......

Folks need to practice--Sex Offender Precautions----but,,,,

before we can do that, we need to know where the line is....what the definition is etc......

To get back to the subject of the thread: It would be-'hoove' them to let the barn stay....it's a nice touch....special and different...unlike a Walmart next door........

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NEVER do mouth to mouth without a non-rebreather pocket mask

Okay senders, cut it out with the 'nursey' talk here!

I knew what senders was talking about, didn't you???

NOPE! Not initially...but I soon figure it out!

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ROTTERDAM
Masullo sewer plan advances
Town OKs study; special district would pay for dry line
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

   Town officials will move forward with plans to establish a dry sewer line in Masullo Estates, several months after an informal survey indicated a majority of residents support the idea.
   Board members approved $3,000 study that will advance an idea the town has mulled for nearly four months. Moving forward with the map, plan and report also shifts the ultimate decision to the town board instead of a referendum vote. If approved, the idea is to create a special district to pay for the dry line, which could be connected to service later.
   Residents could still demand a referendum if 20 percent of them sign a petition. Supervisor Steve Tommasone said Wednesday’s decision will expedite the project and provide the 88 homes in Masullo an opportunity to see specifics of the costs involved.
   “They want an opportunity to see what the costs would be and the only way to do that is to move ahead in this fashion,” he said Thursday. “But the residents need to be assured that the town board is not going to move ahead unless the majority of residents want to move forward with getting the sewer line in place.”
   Brett Steenburgh, the engineer hired for the project, said the report would take about a week to produce. Unlike previous studies, the plan will create a conceptual design for the district and set costs, including the price to individual homeowners.
   “The big thing is how much is it going to cost,” he said.
   Once the study is complete, Tommasone said all the residents of the development would receive informational packets. By late this month, he anticipates conducting at least two meetings to discuss the findings. Tommasone said he’s even considering going from doorto-door in the development just to ensure all residents are kept abreast of the project.
   “This is an issue that affects people a little more directly,” he said. “It’s a direct cost to them.”
   Town officials commissioned a study in February in an attempt to repair the potholed roads throughout the development and to resolve some of the chronic drainage problems. Cost estimates for a full reconstruction of the road ranged up to $1.35 million, for which town officials would need to borrow.
   The study also investigated the feasibility of installing a dry sewer pipe into the development while the town reconstructs the roads. The estimated $150,000 cost of the line would be bonded among the residents.
   If the district is approved, town officials hope to eventually connect the development with a sewer line down Guilderland Avenue. This line is required for the recently approved Helderberg Meadows, a massive 261-unit residential development planned for land south of Masullo Estates.
   Masullo Parkway resident Lee Harrison said he supports the effort for sewers in the development, but doesn’t think they’ll do much for his drainage problems. He would like to see the town develop a comprehensive plan to address all the development’s problems with groundwater before the district is put up to a vote.
   “I expect to it to be a hard sell because of their [residents] mistrust,” he said,  

  
  
  

I have to agree with Harrison on this. There is a very complex situation involving septic leach ate, ground water, and storm water runoff and no one has really looked at the whole picture because it's too expensive to do the study.

And, to add to that, if you fix one issue, it's not going to do anything besides probably complicate the other problems.  The people of this area of town are just stuck there until the town gets off their butt and actually gets the job done.  It's just a matter of how much it's going to cost in the end.  Oh, and there's the destruction that this area is going to have to go through before it is actually reconstructed.

And we have to realize as residents, this isn't something that will be fixed overnight, but if we don't start working on it NOW (or better yet, back a few years ago), it's just going to get worse.

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I have to agree with Harrison on this. There is a very complex situation involving septic leach ate, ground water, and storm water runoff and no one has really looked at the whole picture because it's too expensive to do the study.

THAT is just too freakin' funny.....the army corps of engineers does this wham-bam-thank you ma'm for the 'ballpark' from the county....yet,,,here we are with our thumbs, where? and studying what?.......

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THAT is just too freakin' funny.....the army corps of engineers does this wham-bam-thank you ma'm for the 'ballpark' from the county....yet,,,here we are with our thumbs, where? and studying what?.......

Well, didn't you just hit that one right on the head?

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Masullo Estates
meeting tonight
   ROTTERDAM — A special meeting is set tonight to discuss details of sewer line proposed for the Masullo Estates development.
   Town Supervisor Steve Tommasone said the 7 p.m. meeting at Town Hall is aimed at bringing the 85 homeowners up to date on the project, expected to improve the development’s badly damaged roads. He said no formal vote is expected.
   “[The residents] been more than patient at this point,” he said. “Hopefully now we’ll be able to move the process forward at a much more rapid pace.”
   Town officials have proposed establishing a dry sewer line in Masullo Estates while they rebuild the roads. Laying the pipe would allow the neighborhood to hook into a sewer connection that is expected eventually to connect with the planned Helderberg Meadows development.  

  
  
  

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Laying the pipe would allow the neighborhood to hook into a sewer connection that is expected eventually to connect with the planned Helderberg Meadows development.  

I hope that 'eventually' means IN THEIR LIFETIME!!

Is there anybody that lives in this area or knows of someone who lives in this area that can give us an idea of what is going on now with this?

I'd really like to have someone on here sharing the residents views.

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ROTTERDAM
Masullo residents remain uneasy
Many doubt usefulness of tentative dry sewer project
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Reach Gazette reporter Justin Mason at 395-3113 or jmason@dailygazette.net

   Homeowners in Masullo Estates expressed deep skepticism over a planned dry sewer line town officials have pitched as part of the solution for the neighborhood’s drainage problems.
   Many of the more than 40 residents who turned out at Thursday’s informational meeting voiced frustration that the project focuses on the sewer district formation instead of the water table problem. Others said the proposed line left too many uncertainties in the attempt to lessen flooding problems in the neighborhood.
   “I can’t commit to this rationalization without knowing what the water relief is going to be for my home,” said Lee Harrison, the owner of a home off Masullo Parkway. “Without further relief of the drainage problems, no further investment in my house is warranted.”
   Town officials had proposed the dry sewer line as part of a $1.35 million reconstruction of the development’s badly deteriorating roads. The sewer line would eventually be hooked into a larger main planned for the proposed 261-unit Helderberg Meadows development, which is anticipated to start construction next year.
   Project engineer Brett Steenburgh estimated the 88 homeowners in Masullo Estates would pay about $350 during the first years of the 10-year bond. Each home within the district would pay an annual operating and maintenance cost of about $250 once they connected to the actual service, with this fee estimated to increase by about 5 percent each year.
   Residents would also need to pay a connection fee to the sewer district, which was estimated to cost between $2,500 and $4,000. Due to elevation problems, most homes on East Lucille Lane and Christine Lane would also need to purchase “grinding pumps” to propel the effluent toward a gravity main in the center of the development.
   Steenburgh said putting the line in during the road reconstruction was a cost-effective way of bringing sewers to the neighborhood. And while the sewer line wouldn’t solve all the drainage problems, he said it would certainly help.
   “It’s going to alleviate your problems,” he said.
   Last month, members of the Rotterdam Town Board voted to move forward with the map, plan and report, which shifted the ultimate decision to the board instead of a referendum vote. Residents could still demand a referendum if 20 percent of them sign a petition.
   But many residents weren’t convinced such an investment would be worth the return. Resident Dave Banker wanted to hear a plan that would solve the drainage problems rather a questionable project that might have a negligible impact on his water-damaged home on West Lucille Lane.
   “This whole thing has taken an about-face and is all about the sewers now,” he said “Our focus is to lower the water table. We wouldn’t mind paying if we knew we were going to get something from it.”
   Roz Budka of East Lucille Lane felt uncomfortable supporting the sewer district without seeing the town’s whole plan for Masullo Estates, rather than separate parts. Like many others, she wanted to know how the whole plan would impact her home.
   “We have to see if its all one big plan and if its feasible,” she said.
   Others questioned the impact a live sewer line could have on the development of the neighborhood’s remaining vacant land, much of which is owned by Carmine Masullo. Some feared the service could make this land a prime target for more homes.
   “This sewer system, and it’s on the minds of a lot of people in this room, is going to benefit that individual,” said Gary Nowicki of East Lucille Lane.  

  
  
  

I say dump and run......maybe they could find a nice developer that would purchase all their homes and build a strip mall or something there......there have been towns sold on ebay.....I say put the neighborhood on ebay......why not???

First, if I lived there, I would NOT invest one more dime into resolving the water problem. It is not a guarentee.

Second, I would offer the entire development to the town to buy and then the town could build that nice big brandee new park there. And since there is an abundence of water, perhaps they can propose a swimming hole as well!