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Soggy ground plan offered
Town hopes to buy land for drainage area
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

   Town officials hope to acquire property behind the Masullo Estates development that could help alleviate some of the neighborhood’s persistent drainage problems.
   Town Board member John Mertz said the new owners of the property — which lies between the end of East Lucille Lane and the proposed 261-unit Helderberg Meadows project — have agreed to a deal that would transfer the property to the town. The property has long been sought by the town because it rests in an area where ground water from the saturated development could be drained to a future storm water system for Helderberg Meadows.
   “We’ve locked that property up,” Mertz said during a meeting attended by nearly two dozen Masullo residents Monday. “The property is in control of a third party and has been offered to the town.”
   In response to that news, board members will consider a resolution Wednesday authorizing Supervisor Steve Tommasone to broaden the scope of the town’s contract with project engineer Brett Steenburgh. The resolution calls for up to $40,500 to be spent on a larger engineering study incorporating the property into the drainage project.
   “We want to look at everything,” Tommasone said.
   Steenburgh said the new study would investigate establishing a drain from East Lucille Lane to a pond, which would then empty into a lower-lying stormwater stream serving Helderberg Meadows. He said the concept for the drainage is similar to one originally planned for Masullo Estates, but never completed.
   “When they built Masullo Estates, they tried to do that,” he said, “But when they did, they didn’t build it long enough.”
   Although cost of the drainage project may increase, Steenburgh said the cost for an earlier proposed dry sewer line wouldn’t change from original estimates. He said survey work could begin within the coming weeks and the project could begin sometime next spring.
   Tommasone said the developers of Helderberg Meadows purchased the land, which was previously owned by Carmen Masullo. He said the town will negotiate to acquire full control of the land.
   “We want title of the property for the town to solve the drainage issues,” he said.
   Board member Joe Signore warned even the expanded proj- ect may not solve all the neighborhood’s drainage issues. He said residents of the neighborhood should understand some homes might still experience problems even if the fixes proposed by the town are instituted.
   “The best case scenario may still leave some residents disappointed,” he said.



  
  
  
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I don't think I would opt for the dry sewer line. I'm in agreement with Michael on this one. There is no guarentee and this may be a benefit for Heldeburg Medows in the long run...which in my opinion should NOT be developed until this entire water issue is completely resolved!

  HOWEVER....this is what I would do 'town wide'. The town should have sewers put in 'everywhere'! Don't bond it neighborhood by neighborhood. Let the entirer town pick up the tab through taxes. Now stop gasping and let me finish! ......I don't live in or anywhere near Masullo Estates or any other area that has a water problem. But ya know what? They are still my neighbors. This is still 'our' town! And we want a town that our children will want to stay and raise a family in. Let's show some pride here! I mean look at it this way....there are people who pay school taxes and they don't even have children. Whether they are young working couples/singles or seniors. So let's finally get this entire water problem taken care of.  

And it surely doesn't have to be done all at one time. Section out the town and do it section by section. This town has been spinning it's wheels for years and years. And while it is spinning, our young people are moving out. As the NIKE commercials say....'JUST DO IT'!! We, the townspeople, have to start sometimes and there is no time like the present!!

Okay...now you can all beat me up!


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No beating from me Bumble as I think like you do it's a town wide problem as high water tables exist in many places all over this town. Just because you're lucky enough not to have water problems right now doesn't mean that some development could be done and give you some water problems.
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I won't be beating on you, Bumble.  On the contrary, I think it would be a positive thing.  Especially when you look at the places that the current town board has been trying to bring more businesses into town and expanding the tax base.  Sometimes it's folly to just dig up and change things.  But think about it.  People were laughing at DeWitt Clinton's big project that he started. (The Erie Canal, a.k.a. Clinton's Folly, Clinton's Ditch, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erie_canal).  In fact, if they go along with the plan that they have now, with bringing sewers to the Thruway exits, I think that would be a MAJOR improvement for the town (and no, I don't live across the street from the Thruway at any of it's exits.)  

Maybe, as has previously been suggested in here by someone (and I don't think it was me, but I don't remember who it really was), the big businesses that are moving into these parts of town could pay an additional amount above what it would cost to bring the sewer to their area (maybe 5%) to help bring sewers to the entire town or to upgrade the processing plant (or maybe build a bigger one downhill from where it is currently, since that's the way it's contents roll...).
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It would sure be nice for the town to be able to offer residents sewer hookup for a reasonable cost instead of trying to force sewer districts to be formed by small developments making it non affordable for residents with such a small district. Someday maybe a deal will be offered by the state making it affordable for town residents to put public sewers throughout the town.
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maybe golub would like to subsidize a sewer plant where their offices are now since they will be moving????


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Masullo Estates


   ROTTERDAM — Town officials narrowly approved a new engineering study for Masullo Estates, which they hope will help alleviate some of the neighborhood’s persistent drainage problems.
   Board members OK’d hiring project engineer Brett Steenburgh to prepare a comprehensive drainage and sewage plan for Masullo Estates by a vote of 3-2 Wednesday. Democrats Dianne Marco and Robert Godlewski voted against authorizing the study, which will cost up to $40,500.
   The latest study will take into account a property located at the end of East Lucille Lane and bordering the proposed 261-unit Helderberg Meadows development. Steenburgh has suggested building a drain from East Lucille Lane to a pond, which would then gradually empty into a lower-lying stormwater stream serving Helderberg Meadows.
   Supervisor Steve Tommasome said the study will devise a precise timetable for the project and determine exactly what residents can expect to pay for a proposed dry sewer line, which would eventually tie into a main required for Helderberg Meadows. He said the study will give residents a better idea of the details about the project before a referendum vote on the sewer line.
   “This will all happen so the residents can make an informed decision,” he said,
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...and it's only aother $40,500 and who knows how long of a wait for anything to get done while we "study" again.  Any study should take into account any piece of property that may be needed, whether owned by the town or a resident.  They know that drainage is an issue.  They should be looking at each residents land and any surrounding area that can be used to straighten out this situation.  While the first priority should be to alleviate the issues of these residents without taking anything away, this has been going on for so long that any possible answer to the issue should now be considered.
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With all of the money spent on studies, they could have paid for the solution, don't ya think?


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There have been 3 studies done already and we're going to have to pay for another one to tell them what they already know but don't want to hear.
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Just fix the damn water problem. Lay off some useless town employees, cut the cops benefits and throw the solution in our tax bill. I would much prefer to pay taxes to help my neighbors and secure the future of this town than to pay money out for useless expenditures!


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I think the plan is to expand warehouse space there....50,000,000 worth..
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I'm not an engineer but I'm worn out by the studies.  Each study seems to indicate we studied the wrong thing.  $40,000 seems like a lot of money for a study - I'd much rather see some money going toward some actual relief.  There are aspects, I think, to what we already know that could be getting implemented.  All in all, I'm glad we're still proceeding but I am very, very wary of just where we are headed now.

One comment at the special meeting struck me oddly.  I know it was intended as a joke and yet I can't muster a chuckle.  A town official who owns vast amounts of land south of Masullo Estates and Helderberg Meadows made a joke about eventually selling land to the town as drainage path (like what is being newly contemplated within Masullo Estates).  It was a joke.  The problem for me is that it presented what appeared to perhaps be a conflict of interest.  This person could have a future vested interest in development of his property and will likely oversee much of what gets done on these other projects.  In fact, he is the person charged with overseeing the current wood clearing that we have been complaining about.  I'm a little sensitive right now...it was just a joke, right?

As I type this, the clearing continues...as it does every day since Veteran's Day.  Big equipment working every day...coming and going through the woods (but don't worry, there's no curb cut)...guess what, it doesn't seem to deter the in/out activity.  This looks and feels more like an unregulated, unpermitted construction site every day.  It's a good thing we have someone without any conflict of interest looking into it, huh?


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We all know who you mean Michael and like you and we have had a problem getting this guy to do his job especially if it involves forcing a builder to stop doing something not approved by the town. There is definitely a conflict of interest there and it's getting more obvious every day. It would be really nice if we could get him to enforce the laws already on the books like no open burning and no development in a wetland area without town permits and DEC approval.
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We all know who you mean Michael and like you and we have had a problem getting this guy to do his job especially if it involves forcing a builder to stop doing something not approved by the town. There is definitely a conflict of interest there and it's getting more obvious every day. It would be really nice if we could get him to enforce the laws already on the books like no open burning and no development in a wetland area without town permits and DEC approval.
Noooooooooooo.....we don't all know who you  mean. Why doesn't anyone just say what they need to say? We all don't know what town board member you are talking about or the land involved. Anyone care to share this info with the rest of us?
Michael, where is the transparency here? There are accusations without the facts? It's beginning to sound like the same old political BS we have become acustomed to.


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