and hope that creep from California doesn't show up
Have I missed something here? What creep from California?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The creep who has/had a website with pictures he had taken of kids in public...I dont know the specifics of his pictures...but, he stated he was a pedophile on the website and gave a list of the best sites to see pictures of kids---I think he was mostly infatuated with girls..... >
the authorities arrested him but had to let him go since he did not actually commit a crime.....so far I guess he is just a peeper.....but, I do here there is a law that the mayor in NYC wants to have passed to be able to arrest peepers(mostly of adults I believe) and give them jail time......heeeerre we go again.....
The news woman(person-if being PC and/or feminist) was sitting on something that amounted to a barstool with a back, 4 or 5 inch heels and a skirt suit with a skirt that was probably 18 inches long when standing and shorter when sitting.....she was just so creeped out by peepers/lookers...... I cant even speak here.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Ahhhh....now you're saying it's her fault since she had a short skirt on, eh?
So was the peeper actually peeping or was he just peeping at a nice bod? So now we need to know the difference between 'peeping' and 'looking'.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
How to quiet anti-abortion protesters Carl Strock can be reached at 395-3085 or by e-mail at carlstrock@dailygazette.com.
I was in front of the Schenectady Planned Parenthood office the other day, on Union Street, hanging out with a group of anti-abortion protesters, and I saw something interesting. I mean, beyond the usual waving of gruesome posters, the chanting of “baby killers” and the reading from the Bible. This was the attempted towing of a van belonging to one of the protesters. The van was parked across the street in the parking lot of Friendship Baptist Church, where the protesters had been told the previous day they could not park. Apparently one of them didn’t get the messsage, and now — Holy Smokes! — his van was being hooked up to a Holmes and Kugler tow truck! Hey, look! First one protester saw it, then another, and then they all went running across the street to try to prevent this outrage, led by Father Francis McCloskey, a Catholic priest and anti-abortion campaigner from the Catskills. They started right in on the truck driver, a portly fellow with no apparent interest in theology. “We’re trying to save babies!” one woman yelled at him as she lectured him on the group’s holy works. “And you’re wearing a crucifi x!” Father McCloskey hollered at him with indignation. “That’s an outrage!” “Block the truck! Block the truck!” he urged his fellow believers, which they did, milling around in front of it like Chinese students facing down a tank in Tiananmen Square but holding up rosary beads and invoking the name of the Christian Lord. And then what happened was, the driver turned around and unleashed on them a storm of profanities, obscenities, imprecations and insults such as no one had previously heard this side of Hades, crucifix or no crucifix. “I don’t give a [blank] about your [blank] babies!” he bellowed at them. “Get the [blank] out of my [blank] way, you [blank] [blank] [blank]!” and so on. It was hilarious, at least for a heathen like me, but the funniest part was the reaction of the Christians, which is how I was beginning to think of the protesters, with their Bibles and their crosses and their posters declaring what God thinks. They shrunk back and kept more or less quiet. Oh, they grumbled about the injustice of it all, and they remonstrated with the police when the police arrived, but they delivered no more sanctimonious lectures to the tow truck driver. They left him alone. In the end, with police mediation, they took up a collection and paid the driver’s $45 charge for coming to the scene and hooking up, and the driver unhooked the van and thereby spared them the additional $100 for a tow. I thought I had learned something, and in a spirit of humanitarian sharing I passed it along to the Planned Parenthood folks: If you want to quiet these latter-day crusaders standing at your doorstep hollering “baby killers” at you, don’t be meek and turn-the-other-cheek about it. Give them a hearty blast of Luciferian invective, or else hire a tow truck driver to do it for you, in his off hours, and they’ll quiet down. It seems to have a calming effect on them to be yelled back at. But the Planned Parenthood people didn’t take the lesson to heart. For the rest of the day they stood on the Union Street sidewalk, meek and mild in their orange safety vests, escorting patients, or clients, into and out of the clinic, while the Christians berated them as murderers and shouted Holy Scripture at them. If you’re a regular reader of this column you know I’m skeptical of people who claim to operate with divine direction, but this was not my fight, so I kept quiet myself. I was there only as an observer, not as a coach to one side or the other. I did try to talk to one Christian who was especially aggressive, a fellow wearing a Virgin of Guadalupe T-shirt, reading aloud from the Bible to a couple of small children with him, and occasionally yelling across a police barricade at the Planned Parenthood escorts, berating them for allegedly not knowing the difference between a cat and a human being and urging them to “Repent!” among other things. He wouldn’t tell me his name or where he was from, which I thought was interesting. He was on a public sidewalk doing his self-righteous best to intimidate other people with his sacred certainties, shouting in their faces, but he preferred to be anonymous. Some of the others were more open. They came from Pennsylvania, or Ohio, or Florida, or even California for this two-week antiabortion fest in Schenectady, or else they were local, some of them. The ones I spoke to were all Roman Catholic, though I didn’t speak to many. They held up their postersize photographs of mutilated fetuses for the benefit of passing cars and yelled, “Killing babies here! Planned Parenthood — killing babies — right here!” One elderly fellow I got a kick out of did this in an incongruously cheerful tone, like it was a neighborly greeting for him: Good morning, folks. Killing babies here. But in general the tone of the event was nasty and belligerent, and I was glad the police had erected a barrier to keep the Christians at least a few feet from their targets. I don’t say anything about abortion one way or another, leaving that to wiser minds, but one thing I did take rueful note of was the use of children in this demonstration — children to hold posters making moral and religious claims when those children could not possibly be expressing independent views but could only be instruments of their parents’ zealotry. To employ children in such a manner I fi nd objectionable. It’s worse than some of things I have seen parents dragged into Family Court for. WORD WATCH On the language front, the Christians took pride in what they called “turnarounds,” referring to young women they have confronted at the entrance to places like Planned Parenthood and convinced not to have abortions. “We’ve had turnarounds,” more than one assured me with what I took to be smugness, though they didn’t have any while I was watching. Also, Father McCloskey, in conversation with me, cited George Orwell, famous for satirizing double-talk, when he rejected not only the “anti-abortion” label but also the euphemistic “pro-life” label. He prefers to call himself and his fellow crusaders “mother and child bonders,” which he insisted was more truthful. Alas, Orwell is dead, so I couldn’t get a reaction from him.
Planned Parenthood shouldn’t presume to dictate to hospitals
Paul Drisgula’s recommendations for the promotion of women’s health services by mandating abortion services in all medical institutions and through all health providers is neither healthy nor ethical [Aug. 26 Gazette]. To require all physicians to provide abortion services that are at the very least questionable, and ultimately harmful to a woman’s health (physically, emotionally and spiritually), is to ask many health providers to act against their consciences and is immoral. Mr. Drisgula’s statement that “Physicians cannot be constrained by religious restrictions or other artificial limitations when providing necessary services,” misrepresents the role of religion in an individual’s life. The assumption is that religion is simply an application of some externally imposed rule when in fact true religion is a matter of the heart. Mandated abortion services should not be manipulated (artificially imposed) on those health providers who, in good conscience, practice the call to “fi rst do no harm.” If Planned Parenthood and its representatives truly have an interest in “a woman’s right to choose her physician and a physician’s right to offer her the care she seeks,” then they must allow women the right to choose physicians and health care providers who respect the lives of the unborn and who hold the same values. Women’s health, and in fact human health and well-being, is a primary concern of those who support life from birth to natural death. Women seeking abortions are dealing with far more than the need to end a pregnancy, and many would not receive abortions if they were able to gain the support they needed. Hospitals and other organizations that are committed to providing this support should not be hindered in their goal to promote life-affirming care. Mr. Drisgula should not presume to speak for “most of us in this community” in regard to expectations of women’s health services. He certainly does not speak for all who choose life. MARY JONES Rexford
I thank you for your Aug. 30 article about the planned two-week protest in front of Planned Parenthood in Schenectady. No parent should expose their young children to the horrific images the Right to Life groups display. Had I driven by with my 4-year-old, she surely would have been terribly upset with what she saw and asked me to explain. Thanks to your article I can avoid the area to protect my child — as will other responsible parents in our community. MICHELLE EDWARDS Niskayuna
Counter-protesters decry photos Residents oppose methods used by demonstrators BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter Reach Gazette reporter Steven Cook at 395-3122 or scook@dailygazette.net
Blythe Gieseler stood near the Planned Parenthood in Schenectady holding her own sign. There were no pictures, just words: “No More Pictures.” It was in contrast to the antiabortion protesters she was near, many with signs of graphic pictures of what they said were aborted fetuses, photos that anyone in passing cars could see. “I don’t think that the children in Schenectady need to see such disgusting pictures to get a point across,” Gieseler said. Gieseler, her husband and another relative held signs reading “Stop Nasty Pictures” and “No More Pictures.” She spent much of the day Tuesday at the site, after spending much of the night at her job as a nurse at St. Clare’s Hospital. Gieseler drove past the protesters last week with her family. That prompted her 9-year-old step-daughter to ask questions. “She didn’t understand because, of course, I would never tell her about abortion at 9 years old.” It also prompted the mother to stage her counter-protest. A group of anti-abortion activists has demonstrated outside the clinic at 400 Union St. for the past week. They intend to stay until Friday. Their base is the nearby building housing the headquarters of Schenectady County Right to Life. The two-week demonstration is the activists’ most concerted effort in years, Rev. Francis McCloskey has said. The photos have been a centerpiece of the anti-abortion protest, large graphic depictions of what the activists said are aborted fetuses. Planned Parenthood Mohawk Hudson officials have called the photos distortions. They show abortions performed at or after 21 weeks, which account for less than 2 percent of all abortions in United States. Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Linda Scharf said they’ve received support from many people, though calls and other means. She said they respect the right of anyone to free speech, the protesters and the counter-protestors. For his part, McCloskey said he didn’t mind the counter-protestors. “People think they’re with us,” he said. He responded to their concerns by saying he believes it’s the adults who have more problem with the pictures than the children. He said it’s the parents who have to answer the questions. “What happens if the child says ‘well, mom and dad, why aren’t we doing something to save the babies?’” “Some people think we’re here to shock them with the pictures,” he said. “We’re here to expose what’s happening.” Gieseler described her own feelings on the issue as being against abortion for birth control, but believes it should be available to victims of rape. But she said those are conversations she doesn’t want to have yet with her 9-year-old. “You can protest without having to be so disgusting and graphic,” she said.
I found the hypocrisy of the people protesting the anti-abortion activists showing photos of aborted unborn children interesting [Sept. 5 Gazette]. If they support abortion, why are they upset at pictures of the result of abortion? Are they afraid to have the world see just what happens as the result of an abortion? Yes, those are babies that were killed in an abortion and, yes, they do look just like that. In the letters to the editor on the same day, one mother said she took another route so that her child would not have to see those pictures [Aug. 31 Gazette]. Was she upset that the pictures would frighten the child or was she upset that she would have to explain to the child that people killed unborn children? Parents who object to the pictures should ask themselves how they would explain this to their children. Then maybe they might not be so supportive of abortion. CHARLES ROBINSON Princetown
Perhaps this mother could explain to her daughter that she should thank the 60's generation and women's lib for these beautiful, accurate, truthful pictures! THAT is who she should be blaming. Clearly not the protesters that are just showing the end result of a national law created by the women's movement.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Abortion images needed to shock desensitized society
After reading the Aug. 30 Gazette news article regarding the abortion protests in Schenectady, I began wondering about the supposed issue of protecting children from frightening images. This is the first time I’ve heard any concern voiced in a society where demonic images abound. It seems there is a skull on almost every T-shirt, serpent images, demonic-looking tattoos on grown men (who should know better), indecent television programming and, of course, lewd and suggestive conversation from supposed broadcast professionals. Sadly, I’ve only skimmed the surface of an increasingly degenerating society. These truly “nasty” things have been bombarding our sensibilities and children for years now, and I’ve barely heard a peep out of any parent. For two weeks, some citizens have been trying to shed light on what I, and many, believe to be a very great evil done to the most defenseless and innocent in our society — the unborn. People are appalled, and well they should be, when animals are prevented from escaping and coldly killed in canned shoots. Here in our country we allow our own kind to be slaughtered in a very similar manner. No matter the size of the person, over 21 weeks, or if the baby’s well-formed leg is the size of a dime, it should horrify this supposedly civilized and well-to-do country. As a Christian, I have a responsibility to shed light on evil and, believe me, it is not a pleasant job. I have participated in some abortion protests and the snarling hatred one encounters is not something we look forward to experiencing. There are also many positive comments — in fact, more and more every year. You see, biology tells us when life begins. Ultrasounds and pictures also bear a most faithful witness. We now firmly believe that the only way to stop abortion in America is to show America abortion. This is the ultimate threat to the abortion industry — the truth. Two weeks ago marked the 10-year anniversary of Mother Teresa of Calcutta’s passing. Predictably, however, the world chose to concentrate on Princess Diana and the “Crocodile Hunter” [Steve Irwin]. Mother Teresa once warned that if a baby wasn’t safe in the womb, no one could expect to be safe anywhere. She said war would prevail. As people yearn for peace in our troubled world today, I am sure it will only begin in the womb. MAUREEN A. CALLAHAN Waterford
I am so angry every time I see bad articles or hear protesters on Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is so much more than people know, or want to know about. These people make it sound like a meat market — next, cut, next, etc., That’s not what it’s all about. I was 18 years old the first time I ever went there for birth control. They treated me like a person — not a number— and with respect. I worked part-time and went to school. I had no insurance on my own, — yes, under my parents — but I felt like I wanted to do this on my own. A lot of people don’t have insurance and can’t afford to go to high-priced doctors or hospitals. I would recommend Planned Parenthood to anyone for anything. If you have questions, they give you honest answers and options. People go there for lots of different reasons, but protesters only see “abortion.” So, for all the ignorant people out there, leave Planned Parenthood alone. It’s there to help people who need it. By the way, I’m 51 years old now. MONICA HALFACRE Schenectady
I had no insurance on my own, — yes, under my parents — but I felt like I wanted to do this on my own. A lot of people don’t have insurance and can’t afford to go to high-priced doctors or hospitals.
how about shutting your legs until you are finished with school???
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Ooooooooooo senders....Do you think that might really work? What a concept!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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I cant even speak here.....
