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"Avoid all activities that may lead to an unwanted pregnancy"

Isn't that about the best statement? However, that would mean 'personal responsibility for one's actions' and we know that ain't gonna happen! Since the very beginning of time (Christain time), there has never been personal responsibility. For example:
The serpant made Eve eat the apple.
Eve made Adam eat the apple.

God looked for personal responsiblitly then and He didn't get it. So in today's modern era, we won't see it either.

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Christian outreach embraces moms Center helps with and after pregnancy Focus on Faith.
BY BILL BUELL
Gazette Reporter

    ALBANY — For Eivion Williams, the battle against abortion doesn’t end when the babies are born.
    “We help moms carry their babies to term, and then we continue to work with them as long as they need us,” said Williams, an Albany native and executive director of the Alpha Pregnancy Care Center of Albany. “We don’t get them to have their babies and then just leave them. We get them hooked up with doctors, we train them by offering parenting classes, and we also help them materially. Anything they might need, diapers, formula, car seats, we’ll help them get it.”
    The Alpha Pregnancy Care Center of Albany was formed in 1986 and, along with its headquarters at 518 Clinton Ave., it has satellite centers in Schenectady on Albany Street and Clifton Park on Moe Road. There are numerous Alpha Care Centers around the country and all of them are affiliated with a larger umbrella group called Care Net. That group, heavily influenced by former U.S. Surgeon General Dr. C. Everett Koop and Christian apologist Dr. Francis Schaeffer, was formed in 1975 by Dr. Harold O.J. Brown.
    “We’re all privately funded by churches, individuals and corporations,” said Williams, who became executive director in 2004. “There’s no government money. We’re a Christian-based organization and everything we do comes from a biblical premise. We share our faith with these young women but nothing is pushy. We don’t demand anything. We just feel like they need to hear that God loves them and their children, and that we’re here to help them and stand by them.”
    Many of the women who stop by the center do so strictly to get a pregnancy test.
    “Some of them we only see once, but we do offer free pregtests and it’s about 60-40 40 percent of them being pregnant,” said Williams. “Then we determine if they are abortionvulnerable or if they plan on carrying the baby to term. If they are abortion-minded, then we try to get them to look at an ultra sound machine. We actually own one and it’s in a doctor’s office right across the street. If we can get them to make that appointment, then usually nine times out of 10 when they see that picture they end up carrying the baby. They realize it’s not just a lump of tissue that you can remove. By six to seven weeks there is a fully formed child in there.”
    Williams took a training class when he got the job as executive director and also enrolled in a few courses at the Baptist Theological Seminary on Curry Road to help prepare him for his new position. He grew up going to the Third Reformed Church in Albany, but his spiritual life was never that important to him until 1983 when he felt the urge to reconnect with a church. He wound up finding a very happy home at Clifton Park Community Church, an evangelical but nondenominational house of worship.
    “My parents were churchgoers and my dad was a deacon at the Third Reformed,” said Williams, who moved to Colonie with his family when he was 5 and has spent most of his adult life living in Clifton Park. “But I was never that excited about church when I was younger, and I kind of drifted away as I got older. Then, I guess it was just one of those things. God put it in my heart that it was time to start going to church again and I guess I was agreeable to it. So I feel like I had a spiritual conversion. The Clifton Park Community Church was right in the neighborhood, and I knew some people that were going there. I went one Sunday and haven’t stopped. I always knew there was a God, but I guess I was at the point where I realized it was time to dedicate my life to him.”
    Before taking over at Alpha, Williams was the executive director at the City Mission in Schenectady for five years. Before that, he spent most of his career in sales.
    “I went to college after high school, but I really didn’t like school a lot,” said Williams. “So I got married and began working for this gentleman who was starting up an RV company. I became partners with him, the business exploded, and after he retired I sold it to a national outfit.”
    Williams became chief operating officer for that company based in San Jose, Calif., but things didn’t work out. He and the CEO were like “vinegar and water,” according to Williams and within four months he was back in the Capital Region looking for new work.
POSITIVE CHANGE
    “I never really considered becoming a pastor, but I realized I needed to do something a little different, something faith-based and my experience at the City Mission was great,” said Williams. “When I got approached to take over the Alpha Care Center it seemed really interesting and worthwhile. I thought God was telling me, ‘Enough is enough We’re killing too many babies. When they lost their director, I felt like it was the right thing for me to do.”
    While Williams has spent the last two decades attending the Clifton Park Community Church his wife Nan, a Catholic, raised their son and daughter as Catholics.
    “I have two great, very Christian kids, and they were both basically raised as Catholics,” said Williams. “The denomination isn’t important to me. Once I became a solid believer, I realized it doesn’t matter. In my position here I have relationships with all kinds of churches, liberal and conservative, so I’m dealing with all kinds of people.”
    According to his friends, it’s something he does very well.
    “He really has a knack, a way of working with people,” said Ballston Lake’s Jim Warden, a member of the First Presbyterian Church in Schenectady and Williams’ prayer partner for nearly 15 years. ”We meet with seven to eight local pastors once a week to see how we can help them, and I’ll get up there and start talking and wave my finger at people Eivion will kick me under the table and tell me to take it easy. I’m more of an engineer and he’s a diplomat. He was quite an entrepreneur when he was in the business world and it’s easy to see why. He’s a really nice guy. You can’t help but like him.”
    “Eivion is a wonderful person, and he’s very well-known in evangelical circles in the Capital District,” said the Rev. David Bissett of Clifton Park Community Church. “He’s a high-energy, get-it-done type of fellow, and he has a real passion for connecting people in need with the resources to help them. We’re so pleased he chose to follow God’s will in his life and his business, and the fact that he’s connected with so many different churches and ministries makes him quite a unique individual.”
    It looks as though Williams’ connection with people will continue to expand. While Albany’s Alpha Center has four full-time employees, one part-time worker and a host of volunteers, Williams is planning on opening new centers in Schenectady, Guilderland and Bethlehem.
    “This group started out in a house on Route 7 in Latham back in 1986, and now we’re in a wonderful facility on Clifton Street, only about five blocks from where I grew up,” said Williams. “We had over 300 babies born through us last year, and the year before it was 190, so we are experiencing some tremendous growth. It’s great to be able to help these young women, and it’s nice that we have so many wonderful people who are willing to help us by donating money or their time. It’s very important work.”
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BRUCE SQUIERS/GAZETTE PHOTOGRAPHER Eivion Williams, who runs the Alpha Pregnancy Care Center, looks out from his Albany offi ce window on Thursday.

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Even without abortion, clinic wrong for county

    On Feb. 22, The Daily Gazette carried a front-page article announcing Planned Parenthood’s decision to open a clinic in the town of Amsterdam, pending state approval. Montgomery County has been chosen because of its [high] number of teen pregnancies.
    What is Planned Parenthood? Although it purports to offer different services, Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortion in the United States. In 2005, it received $112 million for its abortion services. From 1987 to 2000, American taxpayers have contributed $1.81 billion to Planned Parenthood. Since one-third of Planned Parenthood’s annual funding comes from tax dollars, shouldn’t taxpayers know how their money is being used?
    The Daily Gazette article noted that confidential sex education and contraception would be provided at the clinic, but that no abortions would be performed. Look at its Web site to see how Planned Parenthood hopes to indoctrinate the unwary teens with its vision of human sexuality. Its teen site promotes promiscuity, birth control and abortion. For Planned Parenthood, there are no absolute moral values. According to its Web site, “there is no right or wrong choices for everyone. Only you can decide which choice is right for you.”
    To facilitate condom use, Planned Parenthood clinics have distributed condom lollipops and condom key chains to its clients. What happens when a teen, emboldened to engage in value-free sex, faces contraceptive failure? Will the personnel at the clinic micromanage the client’s having an abortion? Its Web site clearly shows its opposition to teaching teens to abstain from sex until marriage. It sees teen pregnancy, not sexual activity, as the problem requiring intervention.
    Having been a counselor — nationally certified — at public high schools in New York and Connecticut for over 25 years, I’m very well acquainted with the machinations of Planned Parenthood.
    Do the residents of Montgomery County want Planned Parenthood to indoctrinate their children and grandchildren? To support an organization whose founder called for “more children from the fit, less from the unfit?” To be hoodwinked by an organization that is anti-woman, anti-child and anti-family?
    Women and teens deserve much better. They deserve to be protected against organizations that make their money off the bodies of vulnerable women.
    ROSEMARY THERESE REID
    Fort Johnson
The writer is a member of the Coalition Opposed to Planned Parenthood (COPP).

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   Women and teens deserve much better. They deserve to be protected against organizations that make their money off the bodies of vulnerable women.

Oh Ms.Reid, please don't portray these women as victims! They had a choice to make BEFORE they got pregnant. There are reactions to our actions.
Ya know who the victims are here? The taxpayers! They are continuously being raped by the government when forced to pay for social programs for people who do not take personal responsibility for themselves.

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Thats it, I've had enough.  I from here on forward, pledge to never give my reproductive fluids to any woman other than my wife, ESPECIALLY if I know that woman has an intention of, or history of, abortion.

We all know about Minority Report.....and with cloning we have an endless supply of reproductive fluids(according to the reports and science,dont have your teeth cleaned and dont go for blood work-where does it all go?).....you just may have to say to someone later in life....."welcome home Dolly".....pretty scary.....beasts at best we are.....

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Isn't that about the best statement? However, that would mean 'personal responsibility for one's actions' and we know that ain't gonna happen! Since the very beginning of time (Christain time), there has never been personal responsibility. For example:
The serpant made Eve eat the apple.
Eve made Adam eat the apple.

God looked for personal responsiblitly then and He didn't get it. So in today's modern era, we won't see it either.

Personal responsiblility - Are you responsible in every area of your life ?

In the United States, some employers target smokers, some even going so far as to fire workers who smoke when they are not at work.

Some companies are considering  discouraging unhealthy people from applying for work by including some physical activity in all jobs. A national survey conducted in July 2006 estimated that 53 percent of Americans think it is "fair" to ask people with unhealthy lifestyles to pay higher insurance premiums and higher deductibles or copayments for their medical care than people with healthy lifestyles-

I agree with everything you posted somebody, but my point was of moral and human PERSONAL responsibility. Not the moral  or human responsibility dictated by the government as the government or business sees fit. I'm talking about the moral and human personal responsibility that are inherent to all of us. The basics of life. Knowing the difference between what is right and wrong and excepting personal responsibility for your actions.

I could give a hoot about what companies or health insurances dictate. That is man made and is nonsense. Those are the laws of the land. And each land has their own set of man made laws. I'm thinking a bit deeper than that.

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I agree with everything you posted somebody, but my point was of moral and human PERSONAL responsibility. Not the moral  or human responsibility dictated by the government as the government or business sees fit. I'm talking about the moral and human personal responsibility that are inherent to all of us. The basics of life. Knowing the difference between what is right and wrong and excepting personal responsibility for your actions.

Well - I am in agreement also- up to a point.  I feel great caution is needed to distinguish between a person and behavior.  Because when  judging a person   you present youself as righteous.  

There is nothing wrong with judging behavior-

Dont forget we are human - I mean Im not gonna judge Thomas Jefferson nor the slaves he was banging- but Im pretty sure if abortion was around then- TJ would surely have given it some thought

Abortion was around then. It always was. It just wasn't legal. And if it were, Thomas Jefferson would NOT have had a say in it anyway. It would have been up to the woman. It would have been HER choice.

And I respectfully disagree with you. I WOULD have judged Thomas Jefferson for his so called sexual encounters with slaves. THAT IS ABUSE! AND THAT WAS WRONG. AND I'M SURE IT WAS FORCED RAPE. And history says there were more than one!  

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Abortion was around then. It always was. It just wasn't legal. And if it were, Thomas Jefferson would NOT have had a say in it anyway. It would have been up to the woman. It would have been HER choice.

And I respectfully disagree with you. I WOULD have judged Thomas Jefferson for his so called sexual encounters with slaves. THAT IS ABUSE! AND THAT WAS WRONG. AND I'M SURE IT WAS FORCED RAPE. And history says there were more than one!  

abortion wasn't legal and it wasn't illegal---it was avoided by 'good Christian' folks,,,be they white or black.....but, those 'good Christians' who chose life were ostracized for the sex, pregnancy and birth of the 'bastard'.....now we say forget about the sex and the pregnancy we want the life.....either way we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.....abortion was also used to save face and keep the family eating.....and it was risky as were tooth extractions, and bone setting, and child birth back in the day......

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I WOULD have judged Thomas Jefferson for his so called sexual encounters with slaves.  

I see it this way- What no human being can or should do is judge the ultimate standing of a person before God, based on the inner motivations of the heart.   God alone is competent to judge the heart-

You might want to reread Mathiew 7- 1-5 - we are given some pretty clear instruction about not judging other people-

Gee Somebody, it would seem rather apparent on the 'motivations of the heart' of someone who physically forces themselves upon another person. The 'motivations of the heart' of someone who takes advantage of the innocent or un-defendable.

So based on what you state, you are obviously NOT in favor of our justice system with judges and juries. And perhaps you also feel that Charles Manson should have gone free since we don't know the 'motives of his heart'. And that Spitzer should go un-punished since we don't know the 'motives of his heart'. In fact no one should have to go before a judge and jury. Just let them all go and let them be judged by God when they die.

We will let God handle these people when they pass on, but we also have a responsibility to the betterment of society here and now. Ya know it goes back to personal responsibility for ones actions.

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Planned Parenthood has clergy’s blessing
BY THE REV. TOM DAVIS AND RABBI DENNIS S. ROSS
For The Sunday Gazette

    When clergy blessed the new Schenectady Planned Parenthood clinic in January, they honored a long history of clergy support for family planning.
    In 1916, when Margaret Sanger, the founder of the American family planning movement, began her work, more than 18,000 women died in childbirth. Many of those women were carrying unintended pregnancies in families that were already bigger than many parents wanted.
    But the laws of the time said birth control was a crime. Many clergy recognized this as a grossly immoral situation. Why should women die and leave their children motherless when the means to prevent unintended pregnancy was available?
    Members of clergy began to help Margaret Sanger. In cities around the country, Presbyterian, Methodist and many other churches opened their doors to house Planned Parenthood clinics. In 1934, the Episcopal Church in America officially endorsed birth control for women who wanted to avoid pregnancy. By the end of the 1940s, all major Protestant and Jewish bodies had joined them.
‘COMMUNITY HEALTH RESOURCE’
In 1946, 3,200 clergy signed a petition issued by the Planned Parenthood Advisory Council denouncing religious opposition to birth control. In 1947, the Central Conference of American Rabbis encouraged its members “to make maximum use” of Planned Parenthood services “as a community health resource.” Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic Church fought to prevent women from using birth control. But many rabbis and ministers joined with Planned Parenthood to make contraceptive ser- vices available. Clergy helped Planned Parenthood win those fights. They also led the struggle to get contraception to unmarried women.
LEGALIZING ABORTION
    Then clergy began to fight for legal abortion. On May 22, 1967, the front page of The New York Times announced the formation of the Clergy Consultation on Abortion. More than 1,400 clergy across the nation joined together in a volunteer network to help women find safe abortion care.
    By 1970, they had referred nearly 100,000 women for abortions. That year, the state of New York legalized abortion. Clergy knew that women from around the country would flock to New York for safe and legal abortion care. They also knew that hospitals were not prepared for this influx.
    So the clergy opened their own clinic.
    It is a little-known fact that the first legal abortion clinic was opened by clergy. It was called Women’s Services, on East 73rd Street in New York City. Thousands of women sought quality care at Women’s Services for more than a year, until enough clinics had opened to handle the tremendous number of patients.
    Believing that it is profoundly unjust for the state to control the intimate reproductive lives of women, clergy across the nation continue to be part of the Planned Parenthood Clergy Network. We come to bless Planned Parenthood out of our faith teachings. As clergy, we witness the way Planned Parenthood can help people arrive at informed decisions about their reproductive health care needs.
SUPPORT PATIENT’S DECISION
    Out of strong and enduring relationships with individuals and families, we have come to recognize the importance of supporting anyone facing a medical decision, especially when it comes to reproductive health.
    People of faith seek counsel from their spiritual leaders on many health matters, but medical decisions are ultimately made by patients and their health care providers. No religious leader or government official has the right to force a decision that is contrary to the beliefs of the individual.
    Clergy have been blessing Planned Parenthood for generations. The clergy who participated in the blessing of the clinic in Schenectady were part of a long tradition of clergy support for the work of Planned Parenthood.
    It is a tradition which seeks to be faithful to the biblical demand for justice. And justice means that a woman must have control of her own life.

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Clergy have been blessing Planned Parenthood for generations. The clergy who participated in the blessing of the clinic in Schenectady were part of a long tradition of clergy support for the work of Planned Parenthood.
    It is a tradition which seeks to be faithful to the biblical demand for justice. And justice means that a woman must have control of her own life.

Gee, I don't remember reading about this type of justice in the Bible. Perhaps someone can direct me to the verse!

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Gee Somebody, it would seem rather apparent on the 'motivations of the heart' of someone who physically forces themselves upon another person. The 'motivations of the heart' of someone who takes advantage of the innocent or un-defendable.

So based on what you state, you are obviously NOT in favor of our justice system with judges and juries. And perhaps you also feel that Charles Manson should have gone free since we don't know the 'motives of his heart'. And that Spitzer should go un-punished since we don't know the 'motives of his heart'. In fact no one should have to go before a judge and jury. Just let them all go and let them be judged by God when they die.

We will let God handle these people when they pass on, but we also have a responsibility to the betterment of society here and now. Ya know it goes back to personal responsibility for ones actions.

I have no problem with our justice system as God advises us to obey the laws of the land. It's in the Bible, Romans 13:1-2, TLB. "Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there-

Judging a person is not the same as judging BEHAVIOR- but it appears to be difficult for many to grasp.
I dont care if its Manson -Spitzer- or the hooker he was with- what they DID was wrong but you have no busines judging them nor anyone else- sit down and take a deep breath-

Senders said the bible should be our guidling life playbook- well Mathiew 7 1-5 is pretty clear and just about any comentary on the verse says the same thing- so come on now you cant just pick and choose which scripture you like and dont-