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To hear some on the left tell it, the Supreme Court would be hamstrung if it had to function for a year or more without a ninth justice. What to do in the event of a 4-4 tie? This would not have been viewed as a problem, however, by America's Founders, who created a Court with an even number of justices—six. In fact, Marbury v. Madison, arguably the most important case in the Court's 226-year history, was decided by a six-justice Court.

The Constitution, of course, leaves it up to Congress to decide how many justices will serve on the Supreme Court. In 1789, Congress passed, and President Washington signed, the Judiciary Act. That law determined that the number of Supreme Court justices should be six. The Congress of that day was full of men who had been at Independence Hall two years earlier and had participated in the writing of the Constitution, so they presumably knew what they were doing.

With a six-justice Court, a 3-3 opinion simply meant the Court wouldn't overturn a lower federal court ruling but instead would let it stand (or wouldn't alter the status quo in a case taken up by the Court as a matter of original jurisdiction). One effect of a six-person Court was that it took two-thirds of the Court (4 votes to 2) to declare unconstitutional a law duly passed by Congress or a state legislature. With a nine-person Court, 5-4 rulings are commonplace: In modern times, the trajectory of the nation has changed repeatedly on the personal whims of an Anthony Kennedy or a Sandra Day O'Connor. An even-numbered Court seems to be more conducive to judicial restraint.

From February 1790, when the Court first convened in the original capital of New York City, until March 1807 (when Thomas Todd became an associate justice on the John Marshall Court after having been nominated by Thomas Jefferson), Congress didn't change the number of justices. Marbury v. Madison was a unanimous decision by the six justices in 1803. So much for not being able to get anything done with an even number.

Indeed, when Congress increased the number of justices to seven in 1807, it doesn't seem that moving to an odd number had anything to do with it. In The Supreme Court in United States History, Charles Warren writes that the addition of a seventh justice was a function of an era when Supreme Court justices had to "ride circuit," serving on federal circuit courts. The need for an extra justice was "impelled by the increase of business and population in the Western Districts of Kentucky, Tennessee and Ohio, and by the necessity of bringing into the Court some lawyer versed in the peculiar land laws of those States."

The left would likely respond by saying that what worked in the Founding era wouldn't work today, but the truth is that the Court worked far better in 1790 or 1806 than it did in 1973 or 2015. Judicial review is meant only to void acts that violate, as Alexander Hamilton put it, the "manifest tenor" (obvious meaning) of the Constitution. Justices are supposed to adhere to the clear-violation stand-ard, which holds that an act must be unconstitutional beyond a reasonable doubt for the Court to be justified in voiding it. Justice Antonin Scalia adhered to the clear-violation standard of constitutional review.

Returning to an even number of justices, if only for a year, would offer an additional level of protection against those justices who are inclined to eschew the clear-violation standard and impose their own wills. With an even number of justices, overturning the actions of the other, more representative branches of government would require at least a two-vote margin.

Not only will the Court survive just fine with an even number of justices for the next year or so, it may even do the Court some good.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/eight-is-enough-for-now/article/2001151


We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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Just think if there had been an 8 justice vote on Bush vs Gore for the 2000 election...
We would have had PRESIDENT AL GORE instead of George Worst Bush.


Ironically, the majority opinion was offered by Justice Scalia.

On December 8, 2000,  the Florida Supreme Court, by a 4–3 vote, ordered a statewide manual recount.  Thanks to
Justice Scalia... that decision was overturned and so insuring in the Bush Economic Meltdown, the Iraq war,
and the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich.

If only.....


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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What was it that Box always says : elections have consequences.
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What was it that Box always says : elections have consequences.


Yes they do!
And that's why Obama (WHO WON THE ELECTION TO BE PRESIDENT TWICE)
is nominating a new supreme court justice.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Yes they do!
And that's why Obama (WHO WON THE ELECTION TO BE PRESIDENT TWICE)
is nominating a new supreme court justice.


Then the  outcome of the most recent congressional election will confirm the nomination when their constituents feel the vacancy should be filled.


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Then the  outcome of the most recent congressional election will confirm the nomination when their constituents feel the vacancy should be filled.

The responsibility of the US Senate is to confirm or reject the nominee.  
They an shirk their duty if they so choose, and likely will.



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We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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The responsibility of the US Senate is to confirm or reject the nominee.  
They an shirk their duty if they so choose, and likely will.



I guess if the Senate refuses to hold a confirmation hearing for an Obama nomination, you can vote the Senate majority out of power.


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Obama can nominate as many as he wants for the Supreme Court but until someone is confirmed by the Senate there will be a vacancy. The Dems held up appointments in the past and Obama filibustered Ailito's nomination, so for him to complain about not getting to pick the new Supreme Court person is a bit hypocritical.
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I guess if the Senate refuses to hold a confirmation hearing for an Obama nomination, you can vote
the Senate majority out of power.

Voting them out of power is always an option, you don't need a conformation hearing for that.


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Obama can nominate as many as he wants for the Supreme Court but until someone is confirmed by the Senate there will be a vacancy. The Dems held up appointments in the past and Obama filibustered Ailito's nomination, so for him to complain about not getting to pick the new Supreme Court person is a bit hypocritical.

Every nomination should be considered on the merits of his/her qualifications, no matter which party.


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Voting them out of power is always an option, you don't need a conformation hearing for that.


Exactly.  

This is kinda  like when Harry Reid and the Democrat majority changed a 200 year senate rule requiring 60 votes to pass a bill, and changed it to a simple majority in order to pass Obamacare. This Senate majority can refuse to hold a confirmation hearing until after Obama leaves office. After all, they are EQUAL branches of government.  And what's that saying?  Oh yeah..."Election have consequences"


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