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mikechristine1
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But question to anyone, why should taxpayer money be used for these mailings?  

After all it is a FACT that putting a press release in newspapers  cost NOTHING.

And even a paid ad in the newspaper would cost FAR LESS in tax money then all the fancy expensive glossy printing PLUS postage.  

And like I also mentioned all these various social media websites cost nothing.




We have three voters in this house.  We got two earlier this week, addressed with two voters' names.   Why not SAVE taxpayer money and send just one to an address and say "occupant." ?????

Why does it have to be TWO copies each with a different name.   ?????    WASTE of money!




Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Well well well


Today, we got a totally different mailing, about cell phones for soldiers.  

Worthy cause, but!


Three copies of these expensive glossy mailers, mailed AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE!   This time each of the three voters received one in their own names.


Again, WHY THREE COPIES?   TOTAL WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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So McTroll...let's say you actually have a job at a corporation.  As a part of your job, the Corporation wants to reach out to all the employees and
invite them to attend a free class to instruct them on what to do in case of a terrorist attack.  They want to reach all 15,000 employees. So are you going to send them out
on Company's money or are you going to dig into your pocket and send them out at your expense?

See, that is the point, applying logic and reality.  If Amedore sent out Government correspondence, what idiot would demand he do it
on his dime?  What idiot politician would do that?  No one.  I interpret the DVOR statement as I am sure it was intended....that politicians should
not send out mailing that are not Government related on tax payer money, i.e. reelection materials, etc.

Was that clear and easy enough to understand?  Back to my original statement, your attack was unfounded and rather than admit/back of
you continue with the same dribble!  Come on dude, get real and move on!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So McTroll...let's say you actually have a job at a corporation.  As a part of your job, the Corporation wants to reach out to all the employees and
invite them to attend a free class to instruct them on what to do in case of a terrorist attack.  They want to reach all 15,000 employees. So are you going to send them out
on Company's money or are you going to dig into your pocket and send them out at your expense?

See, that is the point, applying logic and reality.  If Amedore sent out Government correspondence, what idiot would demand he do it
on his dime?  What idiot politician would do that?  No one.  I interpret the DVOR statement as I am sure it was intended....that politicians should
not send out mailing that are not Government related on tax payer money, i.e. reelection materials, etc.

Was that clear and easy enough to understand?  Back to my original statement, your attack was unfounded and rather than admit/back of
you continue with the same dribble!  Come on dude, get real and move on!




The corporation uses their own PRIVATE money.  I am NOT FORCED to pay for it, I do if I'm a stockholder or if I buy their products.

But WHY must THREE copies of the SAME thing be mailed to the SAME ONE FAMILY house where EACH of three copies is mailed to a person with the SAME LAST NAME as the other two?   AND at taxpayer expense?   Explain that.

Are either of the two mailings official state government programs?   Ah, in Canajoharie it's being done by Catholic Charities.   The cell phone thing, despite being worthy, how come we don't get mailings for collections of eye glasses --I can't remember off hand what organization does that, but it's done by a private organization, NFP I'm sure.  So why not have collection boxes in various locations just like the eye glasses are and have a sign?  

DV's words were that IF elected legislators should sign oaths to NEVER used taxpayer money for mailings  "IF they are elected," they are no longer campaigning and so therefore, it is obvious that the term "IF elected" clearly means "while in office" they should NEVER use taxpayer money for mailings.   DV did NOT say  "... except when/if ...."   But he changes his story AFTER he is called upon about his hypocrisy about saying he will never support a candidate who uses taxpayer money for mailings (again, he never said "....except ....")

But anyway, these mailings COULD be viewed as "see what I'm doing," and a means for people to see their legislator's name and title on paper.  Hey, he's going to run for re-election in LESS THAN ONE YEAR.


I would bet that better than 75% of the people who get this mail toss it in the trash without reading it, so it's a good thing that so much taxpayer money is used for printing costs and postage, yes?


But again, WHY does tax money NEED to be spent on fancy glossy mailings plus postage for something that can be put in the newspaper AT NO COST WHATSOEVER to the taxpayers or a legislator?

Remember, we voted (and it was approved) to stop having taxpayer money used to print hard copy bills for the legislators because most of the time they don't read it anyway.   But it's OK to spent taxpayer money to print hard copy fancy expensive glossy mailings plus the postage to send to people, the vast majority it will go in the trash unread.  

But again, WHY THREE COPIES for THREE PEOPLE with the SAME last name in a ONE-FAMILY HOUSE.     Is that not a total waste of taxpayer money?


This thing at the Rotterdam senior center,  how much worse could the date be?   Just one week before Christmas when most people are busy.  


I wonder how many people will show up that night


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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The corporation uses their own PRIVATE money.  I am NOT FORCED to pay for it, I do if I'm a stockholder or if I buy their products. THE GOVERNEMENT IS THE CORPORATION!

But WHY must THREE copies of the SAME thing be mailed to the SAME ONE FAMILY house where EACH of three copies is mailed to a person with the SAME LAST NAME as the other two?   AND at taxpayer expense?   Explain that.
3 registered voters, right?  Would be more expensive to program the system to eliminate 2 of them, then again, which 2 shouldn't receive the information and why!  NOPE, each registered voter gets it, like it or not.

Are either of the two mailings official state government programs?   Ah, in Canajoharie it's being done by Catholic Charities.   The cell phone thing, despite being worthy, how come we don't get mailings for collections of eye glasses --I can't remember off hand what organization does that, but it's done by a private organization, NFP I'm sure.  So why not have collection boxes in various locations just like the eye glasses are and have a sign?  

DV's words were that IF elected legislators should sign oaths to NEVER used taxpayer money for mailings  "IF they are elected," they are no longer campaigning and so therefore, it is obvious that the term "IF elected" clearly means "while in office" they should NEVER use taxpayer money for mailings.   DV did NOT say  "... except when/if ...."   But he changes his story AFTER he is called upon about his hypocrisy about saying he will never support a candidate who uses taxpayer money for mailings (again, he never said "....except ....")
DV, DV, DV, DV....you decided to make that blanket interpretation of his words for your negative attack...logic is clear that your job pays for job related mailings, i.e. Government pays for Government related mails....been said and said again...what part can you not comprehend?

But anyway, these mailings COULD be viewed as "see what I'm doing," and a means for people to see their legislator's name and title on paper.  Hey, he's going to run for re-election in LESS THAN ONE YEAR.
Yah, now there's a real intelligent interpretation....  Oh, and if he didn't inform people you'd be all over that like a fly on $hit....never satisfied unless y can swing it negative, even when it's not!


I would bet that better than 75% of the people who get this mail toss it in the trash without reading it, so it's a good thing that so much taxpayer money is used for printing costs and postage, yes?
And how is Amedore, DV or anyone else to control that, huh?  Geez dude, are you for real?


But again, WHY does tax money NEED to be spent on fancy glossy mailings plus postage for something that can be put in the newspaper AT NO COST WHATSOEVER to the taxpayers or a legislator?
Asked and answered already...try reading!  And let me just add, if it was in the paper and YOU missed it, you'd be bitchin they should have mailed it to you!

Remember, we voted (and it was approved) to stop having taxpayer money used to print hard copy bills for the legislators because most of the time they don't read it anyway.   But it's OK to spent taxpayer money to print hard copy fancy expensive glossy mailings plus the postage to send to people, the vast majority it will go in the trash unread.
Said, said again, and answered.....pull your head out of your a$$!   Stupid argument and you know it!

But again, WHY THREE COPIES for THREE PEOPLE with the SAME last name in a ONE-FAMILY HOUSE.     Is that not a total waste of taxpayer money?
WOW, how many times in one post are you going to post the same thing,???? Stutter much????


This thing at the Rotterdam senior center,  how much worse could the date be?   Just one week before Christmas when most people are busy.
Well blame Amedore and DV for that too, I mean WHAT THE HELL McTROLL????


I wonder how many people will show up that night
Why don't you go and count them and report back....and let's blame Amedore and DV if the turnout is low...
and let's blame DV and Amedore if the turn out is too large for the venue nd they should have held it someplace
else to accommodate everyone.  I mean, you've got a plethora of negativity you can spin off this one!!!  

WOW...you just keep going on and on and on....
Are you really that thick and unable to rationalize?
GIVE IT UP AND MOVE ON!!!! You are embarrassing yourself even more than usual!



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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WOW...you just keep going on and on and on....
Are you really that thick and unable to rationalize?
GIVE IT UP AND MOVE ON!!!! You are embarrassing yourself even more than usual!


time for a mirror  
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time for a mirror  

Yup, showing the lies and stupid attacks is obviously a bad thing in your mind.
Your mirror cracked?


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Oh dear LORD - WHO CARES????

Geeze, stop being a troll/stalker and move on to important things, not petty bickering, nitpicking and trolling.


We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.   Funny how that works.
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Yup, showing the lies and stupid attacks is obviously a bad thing in your mind.
Your mirror cracked?


no not at all...its just all that red ink over nothing important that makes me laugh  
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no not at all...its just all that red ink over nothing important that makes me laugh  

Glad I could help your day!
Oh, and not important that one McTroll spews lies and distortion....yah, right!  


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Glad I could help your day!
Oh, and not important that one McTroll spews lies and distortion....yah, right!  


i apologize for laughing...i did not realize their posts were that important to you on this chat board
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i apologize for laughing...i did not realize their posts were that important to you on this chat board

Should be to you too....why allow people to post lies and distortions...they need to be challenged to
provide truth and facts.


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JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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If this meeting at the Rotterdam Senior Center can save the life of even one person, than I don't think it will be a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Heroin's harrowing addiction, heartbreaking death of 22-year-old West Sand Lake man
Couple describe their son's slide into the hell of addiction

By Paul Grondahl Times-Union Updated 11:17 pm, Saturday, December 5, 2015

Sand Lake
Tim Murdick couldn't sleep. He heard a car drive up in the predawn hours to their Cape Cod-style house along a quiet, suburban road.
There had been many sleepless nights for him and his wife, Kim, during the hellish months that their 21-year-old son, Sean, had spiraled down into heroin addiction.
Something didn't seem right about the sound of the car in the darkness, so the father crept down the staircase and peered out a front window.
He watched as the car driver stopped, pushed something into their mailbox and sped off.

A father's nagging fear was now a horrible truth: his son had relapsed.
A primal anger at the drug dealer surged through his body, catapulting him down the walkway toward the mailbox outside their West Sand Lake home.
Sean had been waiting for the delivery and stepped outside to smoke a cigarette. His dad passed him in a blur and the son, too, sprinted toward the mailbox, wide-eyed and crazed, a few steps behind.

His father got to the mailbox first. He grabbed the small plastic packets filled with heroin and squeezed them tightly inside his fist.
More Information



To view a video about Sean Murdick or other videos in "The Dragon Lives Here," a multi-media heroin series collaboration between the Times Union and WMHT, go to http://www.wmht.org/dragon

He roughly shoved past his son, the 6-foot-4, 270-pound former co-captain of the Averill Park High School football team.
His son made a grab for his father's clenched fist. They argued. There was a struggle.
His wife heard the commotion and rushed downstairs. Her husband pressed the packets into her palm and yelled at her to flush the drugs down the toilet.
There were raised voices now, the muffled keen of a young man who was sick with withdrawal symptoms, craving the warm, numbing rush of heroin through a needle into a vein.
Their other son, Tim Jr., two years older than Sean, was awakened. He and his father wrapped up Sean with their arms and braced themselves against the door frame outside the bathroom. The sound of a toilet flushing and Sean's guttural, wounded weeping echoed in the narrow hallway.
Tableau of sorrow
The scene crystallized in one horrible moment the scourge of heroin that plagues the Capital Region: a young man in the grip of addiction, an overwhelmed detox and treatment network that turned him away, failed attempts at rehab and the desperation of parents who didn't know where to turn.
After being rebuffed or washing out at a half-dozen hospital detox units and treatment centers stretching from Albany to Rhinebeck to Vermont, Sean was accepted at The Treatment Center in Lake Worth, Fla. He had been clean for nearly six months in the residential treatment program there. He was drug-tested daily and graduated to a sober living apartment with three other roommates who were also recovering heroin addicts.
Sean seemed to be flourishing. He was working out at the gym every day and bench-pressed 400 pounds. He regained lost weight and took long walks on the beach. His shattered self-esteem was repairing itself in a program that tended to his mind, body and spirit. He talked about joining the military.
"It was finally starting to feel like the old Sean was back again," his mother said.
He had a setback in early September and began to crave heroin again. He checked back into the residential program for a week of stabilization. "He said he felt like he was getting shaky," his mother said. After a week of the rigorous regimen — which did not include a maintenance drug such as methadone or Suboxone — he felt his recovery was solid once more.
On Sept. 28, Sean called his mother, which he did most days.
They spoke briefly. He sounded good to her.
"Mom, I've gotta go. My steak's ready," he said. "Love you, mom."
"Love you, too, bud," she said.
A video surveillance camera in the apartment recorded Sean as he walked into the bathroom and disappeared from view.
His roommates returned and found him dead on the bathroom floor, a syringe and empty heroin packet nearby. He was 22.
"Sean was doing very well in our program and was well-liked. Losing a patient to the disease is very heartbreaking," said Bill Russell, CEO of The Treatment Center. He said Sean was the first fatal overdose of a patient in the 144-bed program since it opened in 2009.
A Mass of Christian Burial was held on Oct. 6 at St. Henry's Church in Averill Park. Several hundred mourners packed the church, including many of Sean's fellow alumni from the Class of 2011 at Averill Park High and former teammates.
Why had heroin addiction claimed the life of this golden boy, the gentle giant who seemed to be everybody's friend in their small town, the son his dad called "a big goof?"
And why had heroin killed more than a dozen other young people over the past three years in the town of Sand Lake, population 10,000, which includes Averill Park and West Sand Lake?
The Murdicks have many questions, but few answers. They've been lost in a fog of grief since their son's death two months ago.
They want to speak out in Sean's memory, to reclaim what heroin stole from them in the hope that it might help other parents struggling with a child's addiction.
"Sean did not die in vain," his father said, choking back tears.
"We tried our best to save him. It wasn't enough," his older brother said, his voice cracking. He leaned against the refrigerator near where his parents had poured out their heartache for more than two hours at the kitchen table.
His mother walked over, embraced her son and spoke soothing words into his ear. The father buried his head in his hands. It was a tableau of sorrow.
A cry for help
Their sons enjoyed a comfortable life in the suburbs of Rensselaer County, raised by two loving parents with good jobs — she at a local college, he in communications for the government. The couple's lives revolved around their sons and sports. They installed a pool in the backyard where the boys and friends spent summer days. The brothers rode go-karts and dirt bikes around the farmland behind their house. Their dad coached his sons in Little League baseball, Pop Warner football, lacrosse and basketball. Their mom ran the concession stand. Their lovable yellow Labrador retriever, Nicky, was at the center of it all.
Sean suffered from migraine headaches as a preschooler, caused by sinus problems treated with medication. He had a certain level of anxiety, but nothing that was crippling. He was a solid B student and was very social in school, with a wide smile and a goofy laugh.
After graduating from high school, Sean took classes at Morrisville State College and Hudson Valley Community College. But he lost interest in academics. He worked at an auto body shop and as a cook. He was good with his hands. He landed a construction job, but fell and broke his arm on a job site. A doctor prescribed oxycodone, an opioid painkiller. He ran through his prescription and started buying oxy on the street, but the pills became scarce and expensive. He found a readily available, cheap substitute: heroin.
His parents could see something was wrong with Sean. He lost a lot of weight and seemed distant and fidgety. He nodded off at the dinner table.
His father found a syringe in the bathroom and confronted Sean.
"Dad, I'm sick. I need help," he said. "This is not me. I don't want to be like this."
Their journey through the nightmare world of the disease of addiction began a year ago. They made the rounds of detox units, from St. Peter's Hospital in Albany to St. Mary's Hospital in Troy. They were turned away more than once, told that Sean didn't meet "the criteria" or insurance didn't cover it. He eventually was admitted for three-day detox stays, but relapsed each time. They tried Conifer Park in Glenville three different times, but Sean was limited to five days of treatment because that's all their insurance covered.
He tried Cornerstone rehab in Rhinebeck a couple times, but none of the five-day treatments stuck. He went twice to Maple Leaf Treatment Center in Underhill, Vt.
It was a revolving door of failure: detox, intensive outpatient care, relapse. He did not qualify for the most intensive and costliest level of care, inpatient residential treatment. They denied him because he was not homicidal or suicidal and had a stable home environment. "It was a never-ending battle with the insurance companies," his mother said. "They treated him like the scum of the Earth."
His parents spent tens of thousands of dollars on failed treatments and exhausted their savings.
"We didn't know where to turn. We were so desperate," his mother said.
Sean tried to detox at home over the course of days of sweating, shaking, vomiting and diarrhea.
"It was a horrible thing to watch," his mother said.
Trying to beat demon
Sean kept trying to get clean and found the Florida treatment center after a long Internet search. His parents liked the place and its focus on mind, body and spirit. They did not rush his detox, which continued for 30 days. They were relieved the focus finally was not on gaps in insurance coverage. They sent a check for $500 once as a thank-you, but never saw another bill.
Meanwhile, his parents are angry and frustrated at the system of heroin treatment in New York.
"Sean was sick, he had a disease and he asked for help," his father said. "If he had diabetes or heart disease, they would not have turned him away and treated him like a criminal."
Sean described his addiction as "this demon inside me."
"He tried everything he could to beat it," his mother said. "He was a big man with a little boy inside, scared of what heroin was doing to him. And he kept getting pushed away around here. If he didn't meet the criteria, who does?"
The addiction drove the brothers apart. "He was ashamed of heroin and did it in secret," his brother said. "He never told me any of the details."
Sean left his parents a final solace. Not long before he died, he thanked them for their unconditional love and how they supported him through the long road of misery.
"You did everything right," he told them.
And then he was gone.
pgrondahl@timesunion.com • 518-454-5623 • @PaulGrondahl


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Should be to you too....why allow people to post lies and distortions...they need to be challenged to
provide truth and facts.


wow, im sorry but they are not....why not?...but if they hold that much power over you keep going in your search for the truth...this is just another internet chat board of opinions to me where anyone can be whoever/whatever they want to be and usually are  
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wow, im sorry but they are not....why not?...but if they hold that much power over you keep going in your search for the truth...this is just another internet chat board of opinions to me where anyone can be whoever/whatever they want to be and usually are  

sad and true...and they can say anything they want and others reading take that information as legitimate, even when it's not!  


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