Quoted from mikechristine1

And again, are YOU going to pay for them?   I can see it for business, but WHY residential?  


WHY should families have to hook up and pay probably $1,000 a  year for many years to hook up PLUS $250 roughly a year for a "fee" which WILL increase regularly (NEITHER of which is tax deductible--you wouldn't know about that).  Many people are on fixed incomes, so how is it better for the government to create a new expense to people rather than paying the low cost of about $150 every three years for septic pump out?

Paying over $1,000 to for a socialist sewer system vs the people having the freedom to choose their septic company for a tiny fraction as much.  People's qualify of life is better when they can spend THEIR money they way they want to, not be giving it to the government.    But then, people who don't pay taxes think everyone is rich and has money to burn.

You're not a Hamburg St area resident, this shouldn't concern you.

The town board saw fit to borrow over $1.0 to "fix" the  "water problem" in Masullo Estates  - every taxpayer in town is footing the bill for that - but the only "benefit" is to the residents of that one subdivision.
Surely, the town could borrow the money to put a sewer line in along Hamburg Street before the Route 146 road improvements are finished.  The corridor would have an economic boom due to its close proximity to Exit 25 of the Thruway and the whole town would benefit.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The town board saw fit to borrow over $1.0 to "fix" the  "water problem" in Masullo Estates  - every taxpayer in town is footing the bill for that - but the only "benefit" is to the residents of that one subdivision.
Surely, the town could borrow the money to put a sewer line in along Hamburg Street before the Route 146 road improvements are finished.  The corridor would have an economic boom due to its close proximity to Exit 25 of the Thruway and the whole town would benefit.

How would the "whole town benefit"?

Just curious.

Quoted from HarryP

How would the "whole town benefit"?

Just curious.

The town would benefit from the economic development along the Hamburg Street Corridor.  The types of businesses (everything from retail to commercial office space) that like to build near interstate exits prefer sites with access to public water and public sewers.  These types of projects when completed add significantly to the municipal tax base which helps to lower taxes for other properties.
Exit 25 is less than 15 miles from the junction of 2 of the busiest interstates in the nation.  Yet, it is stuck in the 1940's in terms of its development.   Exit 25A is just as bad.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The town board saw fit to borrow over $1.0 to "fix" the  "water problem" in Masullo Estates  - every taxpayer in town is footing the bill for that - but the only "benefit" is to the residents of that one subdivision.

Are you insuiating that there wasn't/isn't an issue in Masullo Estates? If you are, then you don't know what you are talking about. I grew up there..my parents bought one of the first houses on Masullo Parkway...and I can tell you that there have been SEVERAL water issues in the development over the last 45+ years...

Quoted from PlateUmp

How did this get turned into a discussion about septic systems vs sewers....I thought the title was regarding the Sr center

DV started it, and he does not even pay taxes, so cheering for government to increase our taxes does not affect him.  

Plus septic systems are NOT harmful to the environment if properly maintained.  Even the federal government will tell you that.

Septic systems today are nothing like the cesspools of the past.

Some people apparently are too lazy to avoid pouring bacon grease down the kitchen sink which can cause problems in a septic system.  Some people are too lazy to take trash out and rather have a garbage disposal--not good for a septic system.


But for the senior center, considering the few people overall who use it, why should we pay for it.    Many seniors are living in senior apartment complexes and have far more activities that Rotterdam senior center provide.   Really, for the small small list of things that Rotterdam has, it's a waste.  Do they have a golf league or bowling league?  Do they go bike riding as a group?  Do they teach photography and guided groups going out to take pictures.  They don't even have a newsletter.  

These days, one does not need a taxpayer funded center in order to find activities to do or people to socialize with.

Quoted from 55tbird

Are you insuiating that there wasn't/isn't an issue in Masullo Estates? If you are, then you don't know what you are talking about. I grew up there..my parents bought one of the first houses on Masullo Parkway...and I can tell you that there have been SEVERAL water issues in the development over the last 45+ years...

My family has lived in the neighborhood for about 100 years and I can tell you that the FIRST water issue in Masullo Estates was the fact that it was built on a swamp.  The second water issue is that there are no sewers and everyone one of those houses have been pumping sewage and water from house and lawn use into the soil of a swamp for the past 45+ years.  The third water issue is that all the ground water (and human added water from homes and lawns) flows from Curry Road south west through Masullo Estates to the Normanskill.  

The town should have better spent the money to put public sewer lines in Masullo and all the neighborhoods between the Thruway and Curry Road.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

My family has lived in the neighborhood for about 100 years and I can tell you that the FIRST water issue in Masullo Estates was the fact that it was built on a swamp.  The second water issue is that there are no sewers and everyone one of those houses have been pumping sewage and water from house and lawn use into the soil of a swamp for the past 45+ years.  The third water issue is that all the ground water (and human added water from homes and lawns) flows from Curry Road south west through Masullo Estates to the Normanskill.  

The town should have better spent the money to put public sewer lines in Masullo and all the neighborhoods between the Thruway and Curry Road.

The residents of that area had no control over where the houses were built, that is on the town and Carmen Masullo.
Another thing that was done is a screw up on the survey of the lots of the first 3 or four original houses on Masullo Parkway (not included are the three at the start of the street that were built after 1974). These homewoners were/are paying property taxes on 5-7 feet of lot depth they don't actually own... confirmed by a second survey years after the houses were built and sold.

Quoted from 55tbird

There is nothing in the bylaws that exclude either....I won't go into the details of the voting process, but it I will say that the  process is anonymous and that ONE member voting can deny membership to a candidate for ANY reason, which they do not have to disclose.
However, there is one avenue that allows anyone to become a Rotterdam Elks lodge member...if they are an current up to date member of another lodge, they can transfer membership to another lodge, including Rotterdam. Since this is a clerical process, there is NO vote.

The above is still not the reason orgs like the Elks are losing members... it's changing Demographics... the same ones that have affected the Bowling establsihments in the area.

I understand the voting process, and yes they don't say specifically that all that were voted against was because they are women or black, it just happens to be they always have a racist, misogynist voting.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

He/she thinks that public sewers are socialist.  (ROFLMAO)

Why are you laughing?

Is it because you don't know the meaning of socialism?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

He/she complains about high taxes but hates economic development which would help increase the tax base and ease residential property taxes.

Name one time where taxes went down from economic development.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

My family has lived in the neighborhood for about 100 years and I can tell you that the FIRST water issue in Masullo Estates was the fact that it was built on a swamp.  The second water issue is that there are no sewers and everyone one of those houses have been pumping sewage and water from house and lawn use into the soil of a swamp for the past 45+ years.  The third water issue is that all the ground water (and human added water from homes and lawns) flows from Curry Road south west through Masullo Estates to the Normanskill.  

The town should have better spent the money to put public sewer lines in Masullo and all the neighborhoods between the Thruway and Curry Road.

And then the town allowed for Traditional builder to build on more swap land (Helderberg Meadows) just south of Masullo Estates which will eventually be shown to be, oh right they are hooked up to our overwhelmed town sewer system, another big mistake that will have to be remedied by even more money spent by the town.

Oh the fun never ends.....

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

He/she complains about high taxes but hates economic development which would help increase the tax base and ease residential property taxes.

Excuse me by I DEFY you to provide the message in all the years where either of us has stated that we are opposed to "economic development."   Once again, you are telling LIES.

We are opposed to using tax money to develop.  

So now, tell us, please provide the documentation here on theses boards that proves that all the taxpayer funded economic development in Schenectady has increased the tax base.  Can you do that????   Well?  

Can you show us documentation where the taxes have gone DOWN due to the wild uncontrolled spending of taxpayers money on downtown?    Oh, what, a couple pennies this time around due to an election year budget, plus taking money from one fund and then bonding for that fund is NOT the way to reduce taxes, and then Queenie betting that a certain amount of money will be paid for building those new houses when there is already a record high over abundance of existing vacant property?



But really, DV, provide the DOCUMENTATION that the tax base in the city has increased.   Can you do that or were you just telling more fairy tales.

Quoted from RPEGCL

And then the town allowed for Traditional builder to build on more swap land (Helderberg Meadows) just south of Masullo Estates which will eventually be shown to be, oh right they are hooked up to our overwhelmed town sewer system, another big mistake that will have to be remedied by even more money spent by the town.  Oh the fun never ends.....

Actually, Masullo was more of a swamp -- they literally built in the swamp -- the Corps of Engineers didn't get involved in reviewing local development projects 45 years ago.  Masullo Estates would never have been built if it had to go through SEQR and Army Corps of Engineers review today.  On the otherhand, the developers of Helderberg Meadows were not allowed to build on actual wetlands - had to set aside a lot of acres that can never be built on, etc.  Overall, it is a better housing development than what would have been built 40 or 45 years ago.
Helderberg Meadows is on sewers.  They also have a storm drainage system.  This is a big improvement over the situation before the development was built.  My family supported the building of that development since it was first proposed (Guildercrest) 45 years ago.  It has been a huge improvement to the neighborhood and the town.  We are looking forward to the full build out when they complete Phase 3 in the woods on the northwest side of Guilderland Avenue.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Why are you laughing?

Is it because you don't know the meaning of socialism?

I know the meaning of socialism.  Public sewers are not socialism.  I am laughing at the jack a** way that Libertarians go around calling everything they don't like - socialism.  Of course, you have the Ronald McDonald look-alike as your spokesman/candidate for president.  The only difference between Rand Paul and Ron Paul .. besides the fact that rand looks like the clown spokesman for McDonald's .. is that Rand can fool some people into not believing that he is a raving lunatic like his father.  

Name one time where taxes went down from economic development.
Can you name one example where taxes didn't go up by trying to keep things the way they were in the 1930's?

I defy the he/she troll to provide any reason why I should give a flying f*** what he/she thinks?
You lie about and trash my family.  The only thing that will get you is spit in the eye and ..,
Go back into the hole that you slithered out of.