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Box A Rox
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Right-To-Die Bill Passes In California

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The "death with dignity" movement marked a victory in California Friday when the
state Senate passed a bill allowing terminally ill patients to end their own lives with the help
of a physician.

The End of Life Option Act, which passed in the state Assembly Wednesday, would allow
patients to seek aid-in-dying options so long as they are given six months or less to live by
two doctors, submit a written request and two oral requests at least 15 days apart and
possess the mental capacity to make their own health care decisions.

HuffPo


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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it's more like...I'm not living like this and I'm getting the hell out of here.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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this yet still amazes me that there is still a discussion about dying.

for decades Hospice has been the ANGLE OF DEATH for folks.

MOREPHINE is their choice of drugs to be administered to folks that are 'technically dying'.

Just happened to a family friend last week.

It only took Hospice w/MOREPHINE.....1 week....but it was a SUCCESS..........DEAD!!

Never needed a law before.



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from bumblethru
this yet still amazes me that there is still a discussion about dying.

for decades Hospice has been the ANGLE OF DEATH for folks.

MOREPHINE is their choice of drugs to be administered to folks that are 'technically dying'.

Just happened to a family friend last week.

It only took Hospice w/MOREPHINE.....1 week....but it was a SUCCESS..........DEAD!!

Never needed a law before.


Your sensitivity is overwhelming....IDIOT!


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JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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In order to enter Hospice care you need TWO physicians to certify that your life expectancy is less than six months.
As far as Morphine being the drug of choice, I have seen the pain bleed through it, using the maximum dosage before OD.  Drugs like Dilaudid are next up.

There is fine balance between pain management and cognitive function.. The Hospice folks are best at finding that balance because frankly, they have most experience with it.

Hospice is not always about inducing death, in fact, that is a minority instance.
Many people poo poo Hospice until either they or a close family member uses it... then the attitude usually changes.

It's real easy to judge from a distance...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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my point is............HOSPICE already handles the 'dying with dignity' thing..........and have for decades.

I just don't know why there needs to be a law now.

oh and I assure you that my opinion comes from being 'up close and personal'..... MANY TIMES........not from a distance.

BOTTOM LINE..........HOSPICE GETS THE JOB DONE!

and it's not being insensitive....the subject is up for discussion all over the media now....folks wanna die.....and HOSPICE can make it happen.....and ALWAYS did......FACT!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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this yet still amazes me that there is still a discussion about dying.

for decades Hospice has been the ANGLE OF DEATH for folks.

MOREPHINE is their choice of drugs to be administered to folks that are 'technically dying'.

Just happened to a family friend last week.

It only took Hospice w/MOREPHINE.....1 week....but it was a SUCCESS..........DEAD!!

Never needed a law before.



Bumbler,
You've posted some pretty dumb posts... but this one beats them all.
You really have no idea, and I doubt words could ever make you understand.
Pathetic.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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my point is............HOSPICE already handles the 'dying with dignity' thing..........and have for decades.

I just don't know why there needs to be a law now.

oh and I assure you that my opinion comes from being 'up close and personal'..... MANY TIMES........not from a distance.

BOTTOM LINE..........HOSPICE GETS THE JOB DONE!

and it's not being insensitive....the subject is up for discussion all over the media now....folks wanna die.....and HOSPICE can make it happen.....and ALWAYS did......FACT!

How does Hospice make it happen you bumbling IDIOT!  You are really making a lot of dumb comments lately.
Which Bumbler are you...not the one that normally posts.
Hospice was involved with my Mom at the nursing home from day one that she entered...she wasn't dying
and they didn't make her death happen.  She spent several years there and hospice insured that her needs were
being met and she was being treated professionally and with dignity.  On her death bed it was the nursing
team at the home that gave her morphine to ease her passing as directed by the attending physician!


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Would an unassisted suicide still be illegal?


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Would an unassisted suicide still be illegal?

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United States: In the past, many states had laws that regarded the act of suicide as a felony, but these laws were seldom enforced. In the 1980s, 30 out of 50 United States has no laws opposing suicide or attempting suicide. With that said, all 50 states had laws stating that assisted suicide is a felony. Currently there is no law against the act of committing suicide in the United States.

In some cases though, suicide is considered “common law crime” unless the victim can be proven to have been of “unsound mind.” Most lawsuits regarding suicide happen when the person is under supervision of a jail or hospital and the victim’s family sues these institutions for negligence. Physician-assisted suicide for terminally ill is legal in Oregon and Washington.

In cases of physician-assisted suicide, the patient must have less than 6 months to live, be of sound mind, make a request vocally and on paper, have it approved by multiple physicians, and then wait 15 days, followed by another request. In the state of California, all medical facilities are required to send all suicidal people in for evaluation and treatment.



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How does Hospice make it happen you bumbling IDIOT!  You are really making a lot of dumb comments lately.
Which Bumbler are you...not the one that normally posts.
Hospice was involved with my Mom at the nursing home from day one that she entered...she wasn't dying
and they didn't make her death happen.  She spent several years there and hospice insured that her needs were
being met and she was being treated professionally and with dignity.  On her death bed it was the nursing
team at the home that gave her morphine to ease her passing as directed by the attending physician!


hospice is NOT new to me....k?

but again....they (whoever 'they' are)  'eased her passing' with good old morphine.....and ya didn't need a law did ya?

THAT IS MY POINT!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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hospice is NOT new to me....k?

but again....they (whoever 'they' are)  'eased her passing' with good old morphine.....and ya didn't need a law did ya?

THAT IS MY POINT!!

"folks wanna die.....and HOSPICE can make it happen"
REALLY...how does Hospice make that happen, huh IDIOT!   That is my point.
Oh, and "they" as I said were the nurses and attending physician, not Hospice...can't you read IDIOT!
You can say Hospice is not new to you but obviously you have no clue about their services and what
they do...IDIOT!


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hospice is NOT new to me....k?

but again....they (whoever 'they' are)  'eased her passing' with good old morphine.....and ya didn't need a law did ya?

THAT IS MY POINT!!


If you are saying that hospice KILLED HER WITH MORPHINE, then you are full of $hit.

Hospice offered palliative care to ease pain.  Morphine doesn't "cure' all types of pain
and in some cases it just makes the pain worse.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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If you are saying that hospice KILLED HER WITH MORPHINE, then you are full of $hit.

Hospice offered palliative care to ease pain.  Morphine doesn't "cure' all types of pain
and in some cases it just makes the pain worse.


This new Bumbler is an IDIOT! Talking out of their poop shoot!


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Quoted from CICERO
Would an unassisted suicide still be illegal?


is it a 'freedom' or a 'granted right' or a 'granted liberty' ?????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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