Quoted from Madam X

True, bt, but I'm tellin' ya, a lot of people are being caught unawares by the new stretch of Erie Boulevard this summer. What worked before, driving-wise, doesn't work any more, and why would anyone expect that they would need to watch out for a curb like that on a newly redone road? It was an accident waiting to happen.

what do folks do who travel to other cities/states for the first time?
did ya ever drive in California? YIKES!!
there is always 'new territory' when you travel.
it boils down to 'driver's responsibility'. imo

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

There is absolutely NO proof that if drivers/motorcyclists obey the speed limit, obey traffic lights and drive prudently and cautiously within ALL of the motor vehicle laws and traffic ordinances that Erie Boulevard is unsafe.  Only those who support lawlessness and irresponsible behavior would think that the road caused the accident and not the motorcyclist who, allegedly, blew through a red light light and was speeding.

DVOidiot You should highlight the ALLEGEDLY part too because only they only say "imprudent speed was a contributing factor" NOT SPEEDING and now red light, and now the improvement to that intersection makes 30 MPH an imprudent speed.

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"The preliminary results of our investigation indicate that imprudent speed was a contributing factor in the crash," said Kilcullen.

Without the "improvements" and the traffic control sign that wasn't there before they may have lived.

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Authorities say after Bryan Blomgren lost control of the bike, it apparently hit a curb, careened onto a median and struck a traffic control sign, throwing the two off the motorcycle

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I used to ride and have found this and many other changes to our local roads make it more dangerous for those on two wheels.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

There is absolutely NO proof that if drivers/motorcyclists obey the speed limit, obey traffic lights and drive prudently and cautiously within ALL of the motor vehicle laws and traffic ordinances that Erie Boulevard is unsafe.  Only those who support lawlessness and irresponsible behavior would think that the road caused the accident and not the motorcyclist who, allegedly, blew through a red light light and was speeding.

Keep pretending to ignore me.

Many people have posted about the CURB!   You have NOT said ONE WORD about the curb that they hit.  If that multimillion dollar curb was not there, if the street was not reconstructed, they would NOT have hit that curb/median and would probably be alive today, even on a bike.  

Explain DV, WHY was the wide width of Erie Blvd in the height of the city's heyday, with all the GE traffic, perfectly fine, no problems, but today with only a tiny fraction of the traffic, suddenly it became a "problem."   What was the problem with having it so wide?

Quoted from RPEGCL

DVOidiot You should highlight the ALLEGEDLY part too because only they only say "imprudent speed was a contributing factor" NOT SPEEDING and now red light, and now the improvement to that intersection makes 30 MPH an imprudent speed.


Without the "improvements" and the traffic control sign that wasn't there before they may have lived.
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I used to ride and have found this and many other changes to our local roads make it more dangerous for those on two wheels.

Imprudent speed is still the driver's responsibility.  I have heard from sources that they were speeding.
The improvements (median with curb) is at least 100 feet west of the intersection.  If the operator was driving prudently, within the speed limit, there is more than enough distance between the intersection and the median to properly stay within the lane --- which by the way has ALWAYS curved a bit.  That slight curve coming from State Street towards GE has been there for 180 years -- it was there when the Erie Canal was first built  -- it was there when the Erie Canal became Erie Boulevard 95 years ago,  Anyone who has driven and/or ridden on that road has known that the slight curve has ALWAYS been there,  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

There is absolutely NO proof that if drivers/motorcyclists obey the speed limit, obey traffic lights and drive prudently and cautiously within ALL of the motor vehicle laws and traffic ordinances that Erie Boulevard is unsafe.  Only those who support lawlessness and irresponsible behavior would think that the road caused the accident and not the motorcyclist who, allegedly, blew through a red light light and was speeding.

Only a complete imbecile would believe that all drivers/motorcyclists obey the speed limit, traffic lights and drive prudently and cautiously on any roads in the entire world.

While we are at it, the ramp that enters 890 from SCC has multiple accidents every single day, when people pull up on the acceleration ramp and come to a complete stop, thereby getting rear-ended.

If only there was a law to prevent people from being afraid to pull out onto a drag strip where cars have the pedal to the floor coming straight at them.

What idiots.

The solution is so simple.

There is no reason for 5 lanes coming around the bend.

Block the 2 outside lanes, thereby giving SCC ramp cars their own dedicated lanes from which to get up to speed.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Imprudent speed is still the driver's responsibility.  I have heard from sources that they were speeding.
The improvements (median with curb) is at least 100 feet west of the intersection.  If the operator was driving prudently, within the speed limit, there is more than enough distance between the intersection and the median to properly stay within the lane --- which by the way has ALWAYS curved a bit.  That slight curve coming from State Street towards GE has been there for 180 years -- it was there when the Erie Canal was first built  -- it was there when the Erie Canal became Erie Boulevard 95 years ago,  Anyone who has driven and/or ridden on that road has known that the slight curve has ALWAYS been there,  

West, as in driving directly into the afternoon sun.

Go down and look at all the islands closely and you will see tire marks everywhere.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Only a complete imbecile would believe that all drivers/motorcyclists obey the speed limit, traffic lights and drive prudently and cautiously on any roads in the entire world.

While we are at it, the ramp that enters 890 from SCC has multiple accidents every single day, when people pull up on the acceleration ramp and come to a complete stop, thereby getting rear-ended.

If only there was a law to prevent people from being afraid to pull out onto a drag strip where cars have the pedal to the floor coming straight at them.

What idiots.

The solution is so simple.

There is no reason for 5 lanes coming around the bend.

Block the 2 outside lanes, thereby giving SCC ramp cars their own dedicated lanes from which to get up to speed.

You must be calling yourself an imbecile.  I never said every driver obeys the speed limit.  I DID SAY that every driver SHOULD OBEY the speed limit and all traffic laws.

The "5 lanes coming around the bend" is NOT where the accident happened and was NOT a part of the Erie Boulevard reconstruction.   So it isn't germane to topic.   However, I-890 and its various ramps are being studied by the state and federal transportation folks in the hopes of coming up with a remedy -- those roads do NOT belong to the city nor the county.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

West, as in driving directly into the afternoon sun.

Go down and look at all the islands closely and you will see tire marks everywhere.

Not certain that the sun would have been a factor -- given that it is midsummer and the fact that the sun sets later and doesn't set in the due west but more in the west/northwest.  
But if it had been a factor - then if the curb wasn't there they would have crossed the center line and ran head-on into oncoming traffic .. and your theory does nothing to negate the factors that the operator allegedly ran a red light or tried to beat the red light and allegedly was going at an imprudent speed.  Also, I highly doubt that this was the first time ever that the operator had traveled down Erie Blvd and should have been aware of the curve (which has existed for 90 years) and the curbed median  which begins more than 100 feet west of the intersection and has existed for a few  years.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Erie Blvd never had 8 lanes.   From the time it opened (around 1920) it has had several configurations -- all included parking (perpendicular for much of the time) along both sides, Then 2 lanes (legal lanes) going west bound and 2 lanes going east bound.

A-HEM.   Do you know how to count?  Can you tell direction?   Erie is north/south by the way.   Look, at these pictures, this is northbound.  I CLEARLY count 4 lanes.  Granted one may have been one of two right turn lanes.  But look down the street, clearly three lanes northbound and three lanes southbound PLUS the angle or perpendicular parking.  

Gee, and look at State Street.  It had 6 lanes PLUS parking on both sides of the street.

And today, a total bottleneck.  One lane in each direction.  Obviously you love it that people are stuck in traffic downtown, keep traffic at a stand still to look at the dividends for Galesi and the rest of the millionaires downtown that homeowners (of which you are NOT one) are paying the property and school taxes

the road changes on State and Erie Blvd were done to "enhance " the city ???......it has created chaos and now traffic is slowed by the

maze that was created by so-called experts.....and the 890 "death trap"....another creation that was a possible hallucination....

no one thinks long term regarding the amount of traffic that will develop over the years.........and lanes wider to provide more room for the "tanks" that

people drive....

shame that and enhancement would bring about such dangerous roads....bad enough drivers are idiots....most drive still texting, no turn signals,

and think they are the only ones on the road...

Change has to be done immediately.....to make the corridor where this tragic accident happened.........just sayin'

ok....so everyone here has concluded that erie blvd in Schenectady is a hazard.

so take responsibility for yourselves and either avoid it....or.....drive responsibly and defensively....duh!

oh..so much taking your advice......everyone has a right to free speech...you seem to know all the rules.....butt out.

"Sunlight in straight in the eyes" could NOT have been a factor in the accident.   Erie Boulevard -- despite what some people have erroneously stated - does not run in a straight line from east to west ... heading from Freeman's Bridge to GE, The road is actually traveling from  from northeast   to southwest.   State Street is actually going from northwest to southeast.  In the late fall and early spring - it is possible that afternoon sun could be an issue -- but not in midsummer.
Check Google Earth --- it shows BOTH the accuracy of my statements regarding directions AND the FACT that there were only 2 eastbound and 2 westbound lanes (legally established and striped) and PERPENDICULAR parking on both sides.  At intersections - there were additional turning lanes -- but NEVER 8 lanes.

Erie Boulevard is NOT a hazard.  Bad drivers are a hazard.  Attention-seeking  nayboobs are a hazard.  Uninformed posts from nayboobs are a hazard.

Quoted from Patches

oh..so much taking your advice......everyone has a right to free speech...you seem to know all the rules.....butt out.

it's called 'personal responsibility' and 'personal choice'.
again....everyone is a friggin' victim.
and a victim to a ROAD no less!!!
avoid it for God's sake!!!!!
it's not advice....it is COMMON SENSE for folks who can think for themselves!!
OMG!!!