Someone told us about some big meeting soon about Hamburg St. It's I guess supposed to be at Mohonasen, not sure of exact date. Supposedly some have gotten personal invites.
Has anyone heard any more?
Is there no announcement in the paper?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
This project will make safety improvements (median and turn lanes) on Route 146 (Hamburg Street) from Route 7 to the Schenectady South City Line, Town of Rotterdam, Schenectady County.
Property will be taken from some home owners, which I believe is the subject of this meeting, and they were "invited"
Note, no sewers are being proposed
We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
the folks in the hamburg st area received letters since they are the ones that will be impacted.
I heard sidewalks/turn lanes. it will be from the round-a-bout to the Schenectady line.
sidewalks are needed, but some folks in the area aren't happy that they will be losing some 'frontage'.
well....that's what I heard at the donut shop.
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That reconstruction. I wonder where the detours will be? Altamont Ave which takes forever as it is.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
the folks in the hamburg st area received letters since they are the ones that will be impacted.
I heard sidewalks/turn lanes. it will be from the round-a-bout to the Schenectady line.
sidewalks are needed, but some folks in the area aren't happy that they will be losing some 'frontage'.
well....that's what I heard at the donut shop.
more gossip, rather than facts.
We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
the folks in the hamburg st area received letters since they are the ones that will be impacted.
I heard sidewalks/turn lanes. it will be from the round-a-bout to the Schenectady line.
sidewalks are needed, but some folks in the area aren't happy that they will be losing some 'frontage'.
well....that's what I heard at the donut shop.
I can understand the need for sidewalks on a street like that, but I can see how some owner, well homes away, they could be upset, For sure they should get amply compensated, and of course reduced taxes. But some seem to be so close to the street as it is now, will they have any front lawn at all?
We'll see
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
I can understand the need for sidewalks on a street like that, but I can see how some owner, well homes away, they could be upset, For sure they should get amply compensated, and of course reduced taxes. But some seem to be so close to the street as it is now, will they have any front lawn at all?
We'll see
It's too bad they can't put sidewalks on Curry, between helderberg and guilderland... I use the route for my walks and I always walk facing traffic for fear of getting clipped by a passing vehicle.
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sidewalks are needed, but they will take away from businesses parking areas. on curry...they are needed also. but most of those homes/businesses have little frontage now.
it's a damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The state proposal to improve Route 146 is NOT just gossip. They have been putting the plan together for over a year. It is on the list of projects to be funded by the state DOT. Whether or not sewers are included in the project would be up to the town. It would make the most sense to put the sewers in at the same time. It would add to the viability of the commercial corridor.
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The state proposal to improve Route 146 is NOT just gossip.
Absolutely correct, until one of the bumble personalities gets misinformation at the donut shop.
We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
I can understand the need for sidewalks on a street like that, but I can see how some owner, well homes away, they could be upset, For sure they should get amply compensated, and of course reduced taxes. But some seem to be so close to the street as it is now, will they have any front lawn at all?
We'll see
They aren't losing property at all.
The town owns 22ft from the center of almost all regular size roads already.
They may lose lawn footage, but the 10-12 feet on both sides of the road are already town property.
In this photo you can see the property line is where the fence is. The town owns they sides of all roads.
The town owns 22ft from the center of almost all regular size roads already.
They may lose lawn footage, but the 10-12 feet on both sides of the road are already town property.
In this photo you can see the property line is where the fence is. The town owns they sides of all roads.
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Oh my, dig up some bodies to widen the road and put in sidewalks? just kidding (I think)
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
The fact is that the cemetery pictured in the photo preexisted Route 146. The cemetery was created in 1903 when Carman Road was a dirt path and the dirt path was actually slight to the east of its present course. The cemetery was accessed from the old Carman Road by a narrow strip of land (now a single family residence across the street) that went back into the then forested cemetery property. When Carman Road/Route 146 was modernized given its present path, a chunk of cemetery property was taken for the project -- basically the path where Route 146 is now. There were probably not any graves on that land. As for the proposed improvements, the one plan that I have seen would not require moving any gravesites. It would mean installing a new fence.
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Hamburg Street merchants want sewers as part of street upgrades
By Ned Campbell July 31, 2015
ROTTERDAM — Toni Bascue will lose a few parking spots in front of her hair salon if the state Department of Transportation’s safety improvements for Hamburg Street go through as planned.
But it’s what the $7.5 million project won’t do — not what it will do — that concerned her the most at an informational meeting hosted by the DOT Wednesday night at Mohonasen High School.
The project’s plans do not include adding a sewer line to the commercial corridor, a need that has been discussed by business owners for decades.
“If I have a sewer issue, I have to dig up my whole back lot — that’s where my parking is,” said Bascue, a co-owner of J.T. Cutting Company at 2432 Hamburg St., who would be digging to get to her septic tank.
“This would be the time to put them in,” she added.
Many business owners expressed a desire for a sewer line in that part of town after state DOT officials said it wasn’t part of the project’s current plans.
“The funding that we have is for highways, and we would include it if the town had requested us to, but the town has not requested us to,” said Dave Robertson, project manager.
At least 80 percent of the road and sidewalk work would be funded federally, with the state picking up the rest of the bill.
Geoff Wood, the project’s design supervisor, said the state DOT is willing to partner with Rotterdam and incorporate a sewer line into the project’s design. The town would have to provide funding for the line, however.
“We don’t want a municipality to come in within the lifespan of the pavement that we’re going to put in and dig it up,” he said. “So we would prefer to have discussions about this further.”
Wood also said residents voted down a referendum to create a sewer district in that part of town more than a decade ago.
No town officials were in attendance to answer to such concerns, which drew criticism from some residents.
“I’m surprised,” Bascue said. “I was surprised that they wouldn’t be here for us.”
The project as proposed would affect 106 properties, with 89 acquisitions, 16 temporary easements and one permanent easement required, DOT officials said. Property owners would be reimbursed for the value of the property they give up.
Tracey Kane, owner of Tracey’s Hair and Beauty Salon at 2621 Hamburg St., was upset that she would lose three parking spots in front of her business. But she said a sewer line would actually open up parking and alleviate that concern.
“I have a septic in the back, so I can’t park on the septic,” she said.
Her husband, Mike Kane, said a sewer line would be good for the town in general by attracting businesses to the corridor.
“Big business does not want to run on a septic tank, bottom line,” he said.
Town Supervisor Harry Buffardi said he had prior engagements and wasn’t able to attend Wednesday, but he said he agreed with residents who wanted a sewer line on Hamburg Street.
“They’ll be digging up that road, so they could lay a dry pipe in there,” he said.
He said that could be done “for a very modest cost, basically the cost of the pipe,” and businesses and residents could have the option to hook up to it once a sewer district is formed.
Buffardi, a Democrat whose term ends in January, is not seeking re-election in the fall. He said the sewer project would be something for a future Town Board to tackle. But he also said he’s open to having a discussion with the DOT soon.
“I’ll get ahold of my Department of Public Works and see if I can set that up,” he said.
Town Councilman Joe Villano, a Republican, said he didn’t know about Wednesday’s meeting and knew nothing about the state DOT project.
“I have been completely frozen out of the process,” he said.
But he said he’s in favor of bringing a sewer line to Hamburg Street.
“I am absolutely in support of it,” he said. “However, the thing is, I guess I have to see the plans because I’ve been provided nothing in regards to it.”
The road and sidewalk work isn’t scheduled to begin until spring 2017, and would continue into late 2018.
The current design proposes adding an 11-foot-wide two-way left turn lane for a 0.8-mile stretch from Alene Street to Cardiff Road, which would make the road 9 feet wider. The turn lane would carry through the East Campbell Road intersection, and a left turn lane would be added for northbound and southbound traffic. New traffic signals would be installed at East Campbell Road and outside the Carman Fire Department.
Curbing and sidewalks would be built on both sides of Hamburg Street from the Curry Road roundabout to Second Street, as well as two 14-foot-wide shared travel lanes for bicyclists and motorists. The overall pavement width for that section would be two feet narrower than it is now.
Hamburg Street from Second Street to the Schenectady city line would only be resurfaced.
“It improves safety, it improves bicycle access, it improves walking traffic, it certainly spruces up the street itself,” Buffardi said. “I think it’s good.”
First and foremost, DOT officials said, the project is meant to improve the safety of the 1.7-mile stretch of Hamburg Street, which has appeared on every state High Accident List from 1993 to 2013.
“This section of Route 146 has a high history of accidents,” said Corey Barringer, project designer.
A 2015 study of the stretch of road found 76 documented accidents from Oct. 1, 2011, through Sept. 30, 2014, including 27 rear-end crashes and 32 turning crashes, he said. That made for an accident rate of 5.51 accidents per million vehicle miles traveled, which is higher than the statewide average for similar highways, 3.94.
The high number of rear-end collisions, especially, made the two-way left turn lane called for, officials said. Left-turn lanes reduce crashes by about 50 percent on average, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
A 1996 investigation recommended a reconstruction of the road to provide a median for turning vehicles, but funding for improvements did not become available until June 2014, officials. The project is one of 33 projects statewide to receive a share of $75.6 million in federal Highway Safety Improvement Program funds.
dailygazette.com
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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