HUH! Cicero is attempting to fool the uninformed as to when abortions are preformed. Nice try cissy, but the FACTS are against you.
Nice try moving the goal posts box. I never even mentioned any statistics about when abortions are performed and what percentage they are of total abortions. What I was responding to, is your belief that human fetus' are NOT human beings. So I showed you a picture of a 24 week fetus outside the womb(they call fetus' outside the womb "preemies") to remind everybody what a fetus looks like outside the womb at 24 weeks and how it bares no resemblance of a human being, just as you claimed.
Nice try moving the goal posts box. I never even mentioned any statistics about when abortions are performed and what percentage they are of total abortions. What I was responding to, is your belief that human fetus' are NOT human beings. So I showed you a picture of a 24 week fetus outside the womb(they call fetus' outside the womb "preemies") to remind everybody what a fetus looks like outside the womb at 24 weeks and how it bares no resemblance of a human being, just as you claimed.
How did you put it again...Oh yeah! ^ NOT HUMAN BEING ~Box-a-Rox
UM... CISSY... BUBBY! WE ALL STARTED AS A ZYGOTE, AND PROCEEDED TO A HUMAN BEING.
At some point, a fetus can survive outside of the womb. Your 24 week old fetus is a rare case but quite possible, often with health defects because of it's early birth. Abortions in most cases are illegal after 20 weeks... so your pic really isn't relevant to that discussion. If you are asking when a fetus becomes a baby, and when does it have rights as an American citizen, the answer is at birth. A one day old zygote is a blob of cells. It can't live outside of the womb. According to studies, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive This is referred to as Fetal Viability... a point when a fetus MAY survive outside of the womb. And, at a point when most abortions are illegal.
To get to the point... Since we are discussing abortion BEFORE 20 weeks, your pic is a distortion of the facts of this discussion.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What is sperm and what is it's intended use? Every part of our bodies have a specific function. Sperm's function is to reproduce another human being via a female egg. With that said.....sexual intercourse's sole function is to create another human being.
Common Sense Sex education 101.
If the males of this world thought with the head on their shoulders and not the 'other head'....and took responsibility for THIER reproductive organs....there would be no abortion issue.
this is nothing more than prostitution under the name of 'women's choice' to benefit MEN!!!
one has to really question the men who support 'womens choice' aka abortion!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
What is sperm and what is it's intended use? Every part of our bodies have a specific function. Sperm's function is to reproduce another human being via a female egg. With that said.....sexual intercourse's sole function is to create another human being.
"sexual intercourse's sole function is to create another human being."
So.... According to Bumbler... the only reason that people have sex is to procreate.
LMAO! That sounds like some Catholic School indoctrination . Sister Mary Immaculate must be very proud of you!
The main reason to have sex... Is to ENJOY SEX! For most people, most of the time, their intent is sexual pleasure, not creating a child.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
To get to the point... Since we are discussing abortion BEFORE 20 weeks, your pic is a distortion of the facts of this discussion.
Um boxy...bubba, bubbarino...bubbaroo...bubby...none of what you posted above has to do with your comment that a human fetus isn't a human being.
Oh...and BTW....When did "we" decide that the discussion was about abortion BEFORE 20 weeks? Are you moving the goal posts once again? You must have done your research and realized that a 21 week old preemie survived outside the womb, so 20 weeks is your new argument.
New York permits abortions up to 24 weeks, Massachusetts up to 25 weeks, and Alaska, Colorado, New Mexico, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington DC have no restrictions.
It's pretty simple...You said I couldn't compare HUMAN BEINGS and HUMAN FETUS because they are "very different things"'. This has nothing to do with citizenship or rights or any legal definitions. The 24 week old fetus outside the womb was just to show how "very different" a fetus is from a human being.
Oh...and BTW....When did "we" decide that the discussion was about abortion BEFORE 20 weeks? Are you moving the goal posts once again? You must have done your research and realized that a 21 week old preemie survived outside the womb, so 20 weeks is your new argument.
Cicero. YOU posted a pic of a premature baby. NOT a fetus. There are some on this board who consider our friend Bob here: ... to be a baby, when of course he is not. (Not even sure if Bob is a Bob or Bobbie at this point)
When is a human being a US Citizen with the rights of a citizen? AT BIRTH. Not as some religious fanatics promote... at conception.
There are even some who consider the human sperm to be a human being! Amazing hun!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero. YOU posted a pic of a premature baby. NOT a fetus. There are some on this board who consider our friend Bob here: ... to be a baby, when of course he is not. (Not even sure if Bob is a Bob or Bobbie at this point)
When is a human being a US Citizen with the rights of a citizen? AT BIRTH. Not as some religious fanatics promote... at conception.
New life being created at conception is not a religious argument, although many religious people do believe this.
It is simply the beliefs of others that you choose to totally disrespect.
I don't disagree that it is a new life, I simply think it should not be a decision that the government should have any say in.
You favor government regulation of personal reproductive decisions,
like they also do in China.
Your government regulation punishes the mother and allows corporate profiteering.
AND......gets Box off the hook so to speak....although Box, being a good citizen you should profit off your sperm and allow corporations to profit off your sperm too.....women profit off their ovum donations.....
hell, a moderately grown chunk of human cells should never go to waste....someone should profit over that....I'd say JUST THE WOMAN because it's their choice...it's kind of like sharing a lotto ticket with someone, you both shared in the cost of purchase and yet only the one who holds the ticket denies the other's share saying it's all about ownership.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
When is a human being a US Citizen with the rights of a citizen? AT BIRTH.
Then why must I, as a taxpayer, support a baby, a month or MORE, before it's born?
We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
UM... CISSY... BUBBY! WE ALL STARTED AS A ZYGOTE, AND PROCEEDED TO A HUMAN BEING.
At some point, a fetus can survive outside of the womb. Your 24 week old fetus is a rare case but quite possible, often with health defects because of it's early birth. Abortions in most cases are illegal after 20 weeks... so your pic really isn't relevant to that discussion. If you are asking when a fetus becomes a baby, and when does it have rights as an American citizen, the answer is at birth. A one day old zygote is a blob of cells. It can't live outside of the womb. According to studies, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive This is referred to as Fetal Viability... a point when a fetus MAY survive outside of the womb. And, at a point when most abortions are illegal.
To get to the point... Since we are discussing abortion BEFORE 20 weeks, your pic is a distortion of the facts of this discussion.
I'm just curious....you're going to educate all women into the 'proper state lingo' of 'it's not a baby until it's born'? even though her homones are raging and she can feel it?
wow! It's not a baby to you because you can't carry a fetus in your pen!s.....hahahahahahahahahahaha but once you see that baby face you're all there proud of what your sperm has become because ya just didn't believe it when she told you when she took the pregnancy test....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
aaaaaaaaand! the thought stops there.....so take care of another man's baby....go ahead, be my guest.....or better yet, after the mother (her choice) decides to continue the pregnancy and raise the child because the 'sperm donor daddy' made some half-a$$ed promise to be there and then really only shows up for birthdays and some bizarre agreement between the two of them that doesn't work out in the end....go ahead....
because you seem to think abortion choice will fix this? WTH is wrong with you?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
MEN DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!! the only horse they have in this race....is SEX WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES!!! men should be penalized if a woman gets pregnant and the man didn't wear a condom!!! men should be forced to pay for the abortion OR pay support until the child is of age. and women should be denied an abortion if she gets pregnant without using some form of birth control.
it's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! THAT is how one controls their reproductive organs.
NOT BY KILLING A BABY!!
dimwits.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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